There’s no debating that Trump can’t spell, has horrible grammar, uses Twitter like an angry child, attacks & bullies someone pretty much every day, is great at dividing the country & manufacturing outrage, can’t take criticism, lies constantly & distorts reality, undermines his own agenda & undermines his staff, golfs pretty much every weekend, and obviously loves that the entire planet is talking about him every day - good press or bad press. This is an abbreviated list, obviously.
So like I said earlier, a stain. Politics aside, Trump is an absolute disgrace & a stain on this country.
I’m sure someone will reply, spazzing out with a colostomy bag full of tangents.
I somehow knew talking about birtherism was going to get me pinned up as trying to defend it, even though that wasn’t what I was doing.
But anyhow, I don’t think all senators have the same clearances, and it depends on which committees you are on. I am not sure though.
Fair enough. My bad.
Correct, and bullet points are more effective with the general population in todays world, imo.
It’s hard to deny that those constitute an agenda though.
lol.
Come on man. Wouldn’t it be nice to have an idea of how much it costs? This hopefully isn’t the big dig.
Even if I supported the wall, which I don’t, I wouldn’t be upset if they took their time to at least attempt to get it right. This is a project, that if done correctly won’t be complete until he’s done in office, even if he wins a second term. Would much rather have every duck in a row if we’re going to pay for this nonsense.
Yeah, you’re being ridiculous. (Just like the right was with Obama.)
Dude can’t even get his appointments in place.
Would you rather an outline come out and start to get hammered out in a bipartisan forum after nine months, or for the GOP to slam through horseshit, a-la the ACA?
But tweets do or don’t then?
Did you gloss over the whole being in the journal, think tanks already in spin mode parts?
"McCain has been a fairly reliable Republican vote since entering the Senate in 1987. From 1987 to 2015, McCain voted with the Republican Party 87 percent of the time on party-line votes in the average Congress. The median senator during that period voted with his or her party 91 percent of the time. So McCain’s body of work in the Senate doesn’t look very maverick-y, even if he has been slightly less likely to vote with his party than the median senator. A real maverick probably looks more like Maine Sen. Susan Collins, who has voted with her party a little less than 60 percent of the time in the average Congress since she joined the Senate in 1997.
McCain has also been a fairly reliable conservative vote on important issues, which is apparent if you examine American Conservative Union scorecards from 1987 to 2015. The ACU, a right-leaning political interest group, issues annual scorecards for every member of Congress based on whether a senator or representative voted for what it considers the conservative position on about 20 to 25 key votes each year. In the average year, McCain had a conservative score of 81. That’s only slightly less than the median Republican senator’s score, 87. Indeed, many of McCain’s policy positions plant him squarely within the mainstream of the Republican Party. He is against abortion in most circumstances and is very hawkish on foreign affairs and pro gun rights." [emphasis mine]
In other words, things are as bad as they seem.
There’s nothing “honorable” about attempting to fulfill poorly-conceived and irrational promises.
See above. The data, she is hard to argue with, no?
Susan Collins. Mic drop.
Look, you really don’t get right wing think, at all man. Just please stop as if you’re an authority on it, because you’re not. This isn’t an insult.
The discussion would be best served if nonresponsive-responses such as this were omitted. It doesn’t advance the ball at all. You think I’ve written something so inane as to be unworthy of response? Skip over it. That’s the courtesy I extend you.
The fact that he didn’t vote for that awful bill doesn’t mean he’s not in favor of repeal and replace.
“Senator McCain believes that the American people should have access to affordable healthcare insurance. But, he strongly disagrees that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is the best solution. Senator McCain will continue to work with his colleagues in Congress to repeal and replace the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for a more financially responsible option that will meet the American public’s continuing need for quality health care at an affordable cost.”
Ya, it would. Do we have an estimate? Lol, I mean, this is what I’m getting at. Firms are throwing prototypes out there and that’s wonderful. Good for them, but we don’t even have an estimated budget.
I’m not upset that they’re taking their time. I’m annoyed that the administration is taking their time on everything. Maybe I should be thankful, but the truth is I’d love for Trump to MAGA and to eat my words. I’d eat the shit out of some crow if he did some of the things he said he was gonna do particularly related to taxes and GDP growth. It isn’t happening and I will be surprised if the R’s hold the Senate. The clock is ticking.
Correct. Dude can’t even get his appointments in place. Thank you for making my point.
An outline’s something I guess…
No, Tweets aren’t real conversations either. Trump doesn’t have real conversations about anything it seems.
It’s been very lightly touched by the journal as far as I’ve seen and spin is literally why think tanks exist.
Maybe I didn’t read it carefully enough…Let’s have another look:
“Senator McCain will continue to work with his colleagues in Congress to repeal and replace the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for a more financially responsible option that will meet the American public’s continuing need for quality health care at an affordable cost.”
Nope, I read it right. Sounds ‘all in’ to me.
PS Did you take note of all the courtesy I extended you in this response?
Wouldn’t a prototype be necessary to come to anywhere near a realistic budget?
When a house gets built, they don’t bid out the work until an engineer draws the plans.
The chances of this wall going up are about as good as his chances of winning the election were by most metrics a year ago. The idea they are trying to do this correctly, and slowly is without question, his and his fans best course of action.
The notion he or his team hasn’t rushed into the ridiculous spending this will be is a slight on him baffles me.
As someone who doesn’t want this thing, that we’re only discussing prototypes, and those first, (and the prospect it will be tied to immigration reforms via actually working with the left) is good news.
This is good. Had we taken our time on the ACA we wouldn’t be wasting time on trying to “fix” it now would we.
Our buddy McCain was one of the voices that called for the ACA to actually entertain input from the other side of the divide.
They likely won’t. And this is why shit like tax reform needs to have bipartisan support. Hence why rushing isn’t optimal.
Obama couldn’t even get a late term SCOTUS appointment heard. Does that mean he’s awful too?
there is only so much to talk about when they haven’t even nailed down the specifics yet. Other than the obvious bait in there to give back to the left, there is only so much to report on. Kiplinger is on it too.
No, I didn’t. I’m still all ruined over your “mic drops” as you then lecture from your high horse of courtesy and “advancing the conversation”.
If you weren’t so high on your own arrogance, I feel like talking with you would be productive.
but yeah…
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You know what, you’re right. You’re always right, and your arrogance is beyond well deserved. Your bias is truth and your unwavering ability to never admit anything short of your own brilliance and superiority is a shining beacon in the darkness.
Sort of surprised you aren’t more a trump fan actually. Seems to be right in your wheel house.
This boondoggle is such a massive waste of money… I really don’t understand how someone against it isn’t happy a) it isn’t being rushed and b) they are actually looking at real life before committing a bunch of money to shit they shouldn’t even be doing in the first place.
The wall is infeasible to build. From the cost of survey, all the engineering design, to legal with disputed properties and borderlines, to environmental permitting, to international law. Then you need to talk about sourcing materials, manpower, staging both, security. Then you need to talk about field conditions necessitating design changes, material changes etc. Then let’s talk about the administrative CF that is involved in publicly bidding govt projects and the silly bad contracts. Hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars all told for a wall as he described it. Easy.
As a professional in this field, and as anyone else in this field will tell you, it laughably infeasible to build Trump’s Wall.
The government is a massive bureaucracy. As such, they’re very prone to wasting both time and money. The longer a govt project lasts, the greater the number of opportunities for waste, and the greater likelihood people will choke it down. “It’s going to cost 3 billion dollars over 5 years” goes down better than “1 billion dollars THIS year” for some ungodly reason.
Normally I’d love this one, as it rings pretty true. Unfortunately in the case of politics, things are arbitrarily done purely for the sake of garnering political support. That means in a normal case where someone would look at a project and go “not cost effective enough, moving on,” a politician (not to pick on Trump again, but he reeeeeally loves being loved, it’s just a personality trait at this point) will be more likely to take the hit for the points.
When they take the hit for the points, we’re right back to increased govt waste.
This is another one that gets people. The wall is so unrealistic to anyone (everyone?) in the industry, that unless they’re personally gunning for the bids, it’s basically a joke at this point.
Most people still listen to the professionals. Otherwise we’d have a million Zeps and the auto garage industry would fall apart.
(But magnumd…McCain was no hero…he was captured…and the current POTUS only respects those who were not captured…)
When I came back to the thread, there were 95 replies already (I had only missed a day, guys! GEEZ!
Despite all the chatter…with the exception of some stunning revelations from Mueller…and when I say “stunning” I mean ILLEGAL ACTIVITY…nothing…and I mean NOTHING brings down Trump but Trump…
If the best that Mueller finds is “impropriety” or “poor judgement”? Hell…Trump eats that shit for breakfast and craps it out as a Tweet…
Get over it, folks…it’s eight years of “Making America Great Again…!”
You are right about one thing, trump will bring down trump and actually he may have already given mueller enough during the holt interview saying he fired comey to make the Russia investigation go away. Sounds like obstruction of justice to me but I’m willing to let the court decide. By the way, he is making America hate again.
Trump has a Republican House and a Republican Senate, and tax reform - perennially the signature issue for the GOP, since lowering taxes will make everythin better in the known universe - and in 10 months, we have an outline.
The damn GOP platform has an outline.
I continue to be amazed at how “conservatives” have lowered their standards to accommodate the ineptitude of Trump. It’s an embarrassment.