That was not the experience of Obama. The shutdown fell on the Republicans. So he has no reason to cave either.
That MOAB on Isis? Other than that, no.
The GOP controls the House and the Senate and the WH. Really, how could responsibility for a govt shutdown fall anywhere but on them?
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Exactly. You cannot compare this to the failed (and dumb) shutdown orchestrated by Cruz when Obama was president.
Other than the fact that it would hurt his party and the potential to maintain a GOP House.
Simple. They just say the holdouts are preventing the functioning of the government. Then throw them a bone in the budget and act like they are being the reasonable ones.
As would a failure to deliver a key campaign promise.
What? No. If building a wall was critical for House members to get re-elected they would not be opposing it.
It is Trumpâs problem that his dumb promise that wonât happen. Thatâs on him, not on the rational people who knew it was a dumb promise.
This strategy has been tried before, and has failed every time. The American people hold the party in power accountable.
Neither Trump nor the extant GOP Congress are really the âbone throwingâ sort. Further, internecine fighting among the GOP itself (eg, whether and how to fund Trumpâs wall) may prevent them from even being able to develop a budget, much less get it out of committee.
That doesnât change that, for him, the promise was made. He could very easily sit on any no-wall budget and refuse to sign it.
I fully believe he would be willing to nuke the GOP. He probably wonât though, for the aforementioned failure to follow through we have seen.
All this is very true. But I donât think Trump is so much of a party man that he particularly cares.
This would effectively end his presidency, as he would be held personally responsible for the shutdown. A significant portion of his party would turn against him.
I agree, he doesnât give a flip about the GOP. But he does care about his own survival, and being seen as the cause of a govt shutdownâor even worse, defaulting on the debt by refusing to sign a ceiling increaseâwould leave him isolated and virtually powerless.
In short, if the GOP senses that he doesnât care about them, they will stop caring about him.
That is a fair point. But I am going to wait and see. I donât think he will. But I am not ruling out a threat.
Thank you for that one ED. I needed a laugh this morning.
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I donât think you guys want Trump in charge of a partial shut down. The EPA, Department of the Interior, and lots of other left-friendly things will get shut down. Maybe shut down the funding for Muellerâs office lol. ICE would keep on deporting at full speed.
Remember when Obama made sure to lay off the IRS refund staff and not the enforcement staff to make sure the shutdown hurt voters? If you thought he was petty, you ainât seen nothinâ yet.
Agree, BG.
If Trump can exact pain on anyone of any Department he feels is part of the âDeep Stateâ that is out to âget himââŠrest assured that he will do it with both Fire and FuryâŠ
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Technically, yes - if the pieces fall into place. But not as a function of discretion.
No, heâs bluffing, IMO. And itâs moronic - shortly using the threat of shutdown as a tactic and as an ultimatum, he changed course and came out and said if a shutdown happens, Ryan and McConnell are to blame.
Trump is simply trying to (ham-handedly) bully a bunch of legislators who have zero fear of him. Everyone sees it, and there Wil be some kabuki attached to it, but they arenât scared of any of Trumpâs hollow demands.
There are systemic issues here that would not go away so easily. A tiny sample:
My old Tort lecturer had a saying about this:
âIt is almost never worth suing, but it is almost always worth threatening to do so.â
I suppose we could add to it âif they reasonably think you might.â
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This may curb hunger for those dieting