This article was posted in 2012 and, as a result, would not account (upwards or downwards) for the entirety of Obama’s second term. Once again, you didn’t read the article.
Strike two.
Again why come up with proposed legislation if you think that your guy is going to lose. Hillary would have her veto pen out before the ink was dry on the new bill.
It’s not the same thing to be sure. But, then again I am waiting for all the facts. I know it isn’t fair and we should all be on the jump on Trump campaign but let’s first see what exactly happened. I think at this point we all know that much of what we read and hear from the msm turns out to be wrong.
He denied working for the Kremlin and the Kremlin denied that he worked for them. Yes, I know they lie and I am doubting them. But then again CNN said he worked for the Russian government and I know they lie as well. Can we wait for Mueller’s investigation to conclude, or should we just go with who we like and forget about the facts? I will play it any way you like.
That’s not the point. The point is that at that point in time he had increased the debt more than Bush.
Run along TB as any conversation between you and I will devolve into name calling…always, always begun by you.
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He denied working for the Kremlin and the Kremlin denied that he worked for them. Yes, I know they lie and I am doubting them. But then again CNN said he worked for the Russian government and I know they lie as well. Can we wait for Mueller’s investigation to conclude, or should we just go with who we like and forget about the facts? I will play it any way you like.
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Jesus Zeb. First it was a FEMALE attorney who they met with. The emails that junior released say right in them that the Russian government was supporting Trump (I pasted the quote in a response to you earlier today). And what’s damning about this is the fact the Jr agreed to meet her because they had dirt on Clinton. Don’t comment on this matter if you’re not at least going to read up on it first.
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And what’s damning about this is the fact the Jr agreed to meet her because they had dirt on Clinton. [/quote]
That is damming? Someone says meet with them as they have dirt on your opponent and that is somehow damming?
I would like to know several things before I assume that there was Trump/Russia collusion. But…why bother right? He’s Trump, he’s odd, he does not speak in complete sentences and most importantly he is not a democrat…so he’s guilty.
Let’s impeach him!!!
To tell you the truth I like Pence…LETS DO IT.
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It’s a completely fair point to make. Would it make sense for me to link a 2003 article to say Bush hasn’t added to the debt as much as someone else?
That still doesn’t address the economy it only looks at the national debt. Hell even conservative hero Ronald Regan tripled the debt but doesn’t mean people don’t point out the economic gains as well.
Do you maintain that at the end of their terms the economy was better during the last two republicans or the last two democrats? And can you find one article that talks about the gift economy left by GWB for Obama? You can find plenty of the latter.
Your statement changed from fiscal responsibility to the economy. I’m simply trying to figure out what you are basing that on.
I don’t disagree with that. The debt is only one thing. But it is important. By the way how many jobs did Obama create compared to Reagan? Uh huh…
That depends on what you measure. If you want to measure food stamp recipients, and other government hand-out programs and the national debt Obama loses.
What are the metrics?
Frankly I didn’t like either Bush and have said so a few times.
Clinton on the other hand did a good job with the economy. But he did have some help from a republican Congress and Newt. But I give Clinton credit for doing it right.
I simply asked you who has done a better job with the economy the last two republicans or the last two democrats. You said Republicans are better on the economy and you still haven’t really said why that is. You said you don’t like the bushes but that wasn’t the question either. In the last 30 years we have had two republican presidents and two democratic presidents. You said Republicans are better on the economy and I’m wondering what that statement is based on. It seems to be based on the economic successes of someone who was in office almost 30 years ago. Which is fine but seems like a really odd statement to make.
As for metrics I figured people would use economic indicators when discussing the economy. But yes using something other than those could change the discussion. For instance the Spurs won more titles under GWB than Obama.
Because it’s literally the job they were hired to do.
This one I read off of Jr’s twitter.
The facts are what is leading to the public outrage. You can be upset by the facts (they come from a very reliable source) of this AND be willing to let Mueller finish his investigation. They’re not mutually exclusive.
Of course it is. It’s an admission of committing the crime everyone had been accusing them/him of. What could be more damning than the evidence of something damning?
Edit: referring to Jr’s response.
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Answering your question does not determine who is better with the economy. And yes we should go back 30 years or more if we are going to take a true measure of which party handles the economy better.
I will take the Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan economies over the Johnson, Carter, Obama economies.
I mentioned this earlier, but “We didn’t think our guy was actually going to win” is a pretty lame excuse for not having a plan in place. How many staffers work for these guys? You don’t think they could have put someone to work on a bill for the single biggest Republican talking point of the past seven years just in case they won?
Let’s even put that aside, and forgive them not even thinking about it for a moment until after DJT’s victory was in the books. Election Day was November 8. Inauguration day was January 20. Carry the two and…well, if my abacus is correct, that was 73 days from Election Day through inauguration day. Considering that Trump himself was quoted at least 68 times (that’s an actual number, BTW, not plucked from thin air; the quotes are listed in the link below) about his desire to repeal Obamacare, including several that mentioned “on my first day in office” or “from day one” or other permutations indicating this would be a top priority…
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-promised-to-repeal-obamacare-many-times-ab9500dad31e
“On my first day in office, I am going to ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace, I just said it, Obamacare.” [Asheville, NC, 9/12/16]
“Also on my first day, I will ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare.” [Clive, OH, 9/13/16]
“Also on my first day I’m going to ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare.” [Canton, OH, 9/14/16]
“When we win on November 8th and elect a Republican congress, we will be able to immediately repeal and replace Obamacare. Have to do it. I will ask Congress to convene a special session so we can repeal and replace, and it will be such an honor for me, for you, and for everybody in this country because Obamacare has to be replaced and we will do it and we will do it very, very quickly.” [Valley Forge, PA, 11/1/16]
It’s curious that in the 73 days from “We know that Donald Trump will be our next President” to swearing him in as President, nobody in the Republican-controlled Congress thought to come up with a draft of an outline of a template of a proposal of a bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, especially since it was a daily topic of conversation on the campaign trail.
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So the evidence for your argument is to ignore anything involving recent history and talk about how the economy was in 1955.
That would make a interesting motto: Vote Republican. We have sucked while you were alive but kicked ass when your grandpa was.
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I agree. Pence would be far better (any standard Republican really). Going to be hard to kick out and replace Trump for this now that we know 100% that the Vice President lied about it as well. Paul Ryan getting his wish perhaps
The argument was not who is better with the economy “recently”. That was your query not mine. Again, if we look at all of the past economies under the various Presidents that would give us a better idea as to which party has done a better job. I understand why you might not want to take such a look. But, short of that you are cherry picking. We can do that but it proves nothing.
I actually like Paul Ryan better than both of them. But, I will maintain that Trump will not be impeached, nor will he resign. It will take more than what I have seen to kick out a sitting President. Then again maybe Mueller will find more, much more. Until that time comes I don’t see Trump leaving office.
"On Aug. 15, 1971, in a nationally televised address, Nixon announced, “I am today ordering a freeze on all prices and wages throughout the United States.”
After a 90-day freeze, increases would have to be approved by a “Pay Board” and a “Price Commission,” with an eye toward eventually lifting controls — conveniently, after the 1972 election."
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/remembering-nixons-wage-price-controls
I thought it made logical sense to ask what you were basing that on and to assume we would you know look at at least somewhat recent history. I didn’t think you would be basing your statement on things like the economy during 1874 or something but I must have been wrong like I was when assuming you might read an article you linked.
I think my motto still holds for you. Remember the good old days? Well you can’t but damn it we were doing good before the A/C was invented!
I do not think Trump will be impeached either, but I do think his administration is already tainted to an extent. We know the Russians meddled in our election and we know the Trump team was connected with them in some manner. We also know they have repeatedly lied about this. Flynn, Pence, Kushner, Jr, who knows who else.
Something and likely multiple somethings happened. The Trump team denied this. They lied. What the fallout from all this is I have no idea but the Dems and the media didn’t make them lie or hide the truth. They and their supporters can blame whoever they want but no one caused them to take these actions and to repeatedly lie about them.
Republicans are going to need a lot more to impeach one of their own. They didn’t have the spine to call him out as a party when he was running for the nomination and they won’t now. They still fear him and his supporters. They didn’t have the stones to say we are a family value party and won’t elect someone who talks and acts like that. They didn’t say we are fiscally conservative and we won’t elect someone who doesn’t believe in that. And they certainly aren’t going to come together now. Spineless cowards.
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Yeah, this pretty much sums up my jaded opinion
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“The Dems and the media didn’t make them lie or hide the truth. They and their supporters can blame whoever they want but no one caused them to take these actions and to repeatedly lie about them”.
“Republicans are going to need a lot more to impeach one of their own. They didn’t have the spine to call him out as a party when he was running for the nomination and they won’t now. They still fear him and his supporters. They didn’t have the stones to say we are a family value party and won’t elect someone who talks and acts like that. They didn’t say we are fiscally conservative and we won’t elect someone who doesn’t believe in that. And they certainly aren’t going to come together now.”[/quote]
This X 100. (Wow, H…)
And let me add this “Witch Hunt” stuff. (Which is ridiculous).
This battle…no WAR with the media…is one that Trump brought on himself and escalated to a point of no return. What he won’t get is any “benefit of the doubt” as he took a whole class of professionals…lumped them all together…and spits out “Fake News” with anything that is not favorable to him. His “press briefings” are audio only and are essentially a series of prepared statements; and he and his “administration” (family) only grant interviews to select outlets (FOX/Christian Broadcasting)…which, quite frankly, I don’t blame them for. That’s how propaganda works.
And you can bet that if Trump doesn’t put the toilet seat up, the media is going to report it…
He drew the Battle Lines…and it’s on…
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