Trump: The First Year

Yes, many of the republicans are gutless wonders. But, there are some who at least try to do the right thing. As for Presidential candidates I have not seen one since JFK who did not first want to raise my taxes. So, while the republicans fall short of what I actually want at least they represent a bit of hope. The democrats represent no hope to me. None.

I wish we had the old democrat party back then I would actually have a reasonable choice each year. But the have unfortunately turned to the far left.

Cheers gents and have a nice evening.

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While the republicans fall short of what I actually want at least they represent a bit of hope
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Wow
that sure was a rousing endorsement, Zeb.

Have a nice evening.

The problem with full on partisanship is how it doesn’t leave you with wiggle room. Democrats who talked shit on the Patriot Act and everything that came with it were silenced (or just accepted it) when Obama continued and expanded. Republicans were forced to hate a health care bill that was essentially created by Republicans simply because it wasn’t proposed by them at the time.

It also forces you to do stuff that would disgust you but you pretend you like. Most Republicans are gritting their teeth at Trump’s positions like isolationism, tariffs, etc. Things they have argued against for years when said by Democrats now they have to say “uh yeah, that’s what we believe!”

But most importantly fuck them both. And until enough people decide they would rather have more than two choices we will only have two choices. When people say one smells just a touch less like shit than the other one they are saying we must choose one pile of shit.

Seriously no matter which side of the aisle our choice this year was the two candidates with the lowest approval ratings in history. People really want to keep doing that?

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But Mine is the clean end of the turd!

New legislation like the patriot act or the ACA is just political capital and leverage. Politicians can make people yelp or moan with just the idea of touching such a precious piece.

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Most Republicans are gritting their teeth at Trump’s positions like isolationism, tariffs, etc. Things they have argued against for years when said by Democrats now they have to say “uh yeah, that’s what we believe!”
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Yep


Trump is making Republicans say and do some weird shit, for sure


(The guy kinda’ favors Paul Ryan
!)

And that’s fine. In fact, that to me is great. Being owned BY money is not the same as having money. The real question I think is: should the government be able to take the “extra” in the name of “fairness”, and who defines what “fair” is for other people?

Those are questions the government should not ask or attempt to address. Because the answer will inevitably be “more” as well as changing depending on who is in power.

I’ve put this up before, but *relevant

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Google search his 100 day contract, you’ll find plenty. On top of that, draining the swamp, locking her up, building the wall, repealing Ocare with something that works for everyone, not being a blatant risk to NS, China a currency manipulator etcetc

I’m going to try to find time in a bit to respond to this appropriately today. I’ve got a board meeting to finish preparing for but I’d really like to answer this one.

Ultimately this is a difference of where we draw the line on a happy amount of money. I admit mine is probably lower than average.

We do, by electing them. Historically, we did, by allowing them to do it in the first place. We shaped this country, and we are responsible for whatever it has become.

Oh no. A debate on the legitimacy of government, the consent of the governed and taxation. Must resist.

Quick question: How should we square a progressive tax rate with “Equal protection under the law”?

The same way we square prison terms of different lengths for different crimes?

(Wimpy hedge/disclaimer: This is off the top of my head, so it may crumble completely under careful analysis/scrutiny.)

I am actually getting to that point. But, I am not sure how feasible that this would be. It would take probably 2 billion (or more) dollars for an actual third party to be viable in a nation wide race.

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Google search his 100 day contract, you’ll find plenty.[/quote]

Anyone who has seen a multitude of Presidential elections knows that the first 100 day promises are not worth the paper they are not written on. But if those things can be accomplished in 200, or 300 or even before his first term ends 
I’m good with that.

Pretty ambiguous wouldn’t you say?

I agree on this one. But, on the other hand would you really want to see Hillary Clinton doing hard time?

Now I know you didn’t think that the wall would be built in the fist 6 months of his Presidency. No one that that would be done. But, I do believe it will be built. The true Trumpys love the idea
I think he has to do it.

That’s up to the worms in Congress. I do think that they will eventually agree on something so it will be done.

Against progressive taxation on the grounds of equal protection:

1916 Yale Law review arguing constitutionality:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/786453?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

  1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

In constitutional law “property” includes income and money.

The constitutionality of the progressive income tax has been a subject of fierce debate for as long as it has been in place. But as of now, its legality is well-established.

Yes, and it makes complete sense if you think about it. Those who do better should be punished more. And for that matter it would make sense to run a business that way as well. Get all of your top sales income earners and let them know that the more sales that they make the less commission will be paid to them.

This is all rosy and wonderful and makes complete sense to THE LEFT.

I’m so happy.

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I agree, it does make sense to not disproportionately tax the poor.

That you view taxation as ‘punishment’ suggests you need to rethink the entire logic of the process.

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Who said anything about the poor? How about a fair tax system? Noooooo. LOL

Flat tax 20% an everyone pays it if they make 35-k or more. Guess what ED? If someone makes one million dollars per year they will pay 200-k. If someone makes 40-k per year they will pay only 8-k per year.

The rich still pay more. Now that should even impress a hardened lefty like yourself.

Noooooo the rich must pay even more SOCK IT TO THEM THEY ARE EVIL.

Ha

Why are you fined in a court of law, or have to pay money in a losing civil suit if it is not punishment to take someone’s money?

Uh huh


@zeb1 This is why we can’t have nice things.

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