As if being a politician determines whether you take one side or another (eye roll)
There are about 70 million people who have chosen one party over the other. THAT is politics.
And no one “took” their choice away. They have decided that most or perhaps all of the important issues aligns with one or the other of the two parties. Basic stuff…
What I have found is that most people your age are liberal on social issues. But when they start to make some real money they decide that one particular side that wants to steal less of it is becomes their choice. You may be different and that’s fine.
As for me I will never endorse a candidate who wants to take more of my hard earned money. I have paid through the nose in taxes for decades and the government has squandered the money. Had they spent it on things that I believe in I may feel differently.
I guess a better way to look at it is whether or not they’re blatantly partisan. That seems to be the devil that forces people to refuse to evaluate things on a case by case basis.
I would welcome you to disjoin from that group of 70 mil. I did and it works much better. Not only is being partisan a cop out, it’s just plain boring.
I think this boils down to how much people care about the social issues. With the direction the GOP continues to head, they clearly don’t have me on social issues. Furthermore, since fiscal conservatism appears to be dead, they’re starting to lose me on fiscal matters as well.
Which ties back to (mostly) social issues. If you believed in the social issues most libs believe in, you wouldn’t be as opposed to higher taxes. Plenty of billionaires strongly push for social programs, because they believe more in the programs than they do in lower taxes.
I agree and many times I have denigrated Trump. I am fully aware of his vast number of short comings. But, as a conservative I also look at the many things he has actually done which I approve of. So, I can dislike the man and like most of how he is governing. The Gorsuch appointment deregulations etc.
LOL, I never heard it put that way before. As soon as the democrats promise to stop taking my money and to stop their war on hand-guns I will be far less partisan. Fair enough?
The billionaires you are referring to have found ways to pay less taxes. Warren Buffet is a good example of that. And good for all of them. But as a small business person I pay the top tier in taxes and I also pay a good amount in state and local taxes. Honestly, when it is all said and done I am somewhere close to the 50% mark in taxes all total. Tell me that wouldn’t bother you my friend.
Why not do both? You can dislike gun regs and higher taxes (case by case basis) while also not being partisan on the other stuff. It’s a choice
Also, dems aren’t taking your money, republicans are. They’re in power and are the only ones with the ability to lower your taxes. They choose not to do so.
If I was making enough to support my family and prepare for the future, not one bit. That being said, I clearly believe in the social programs that liberals push quite a bit more than you, which is the real difference here.
How can I be for lower taxes and less gun regs and vote for a democrat (at the national level)?
But Trump has said that he wants to lower taxes for everyone. So, I am being patient and waiting for that particular bill. He has so far kept his word on the SCJ appointment, deregulation and other things. On the other hand Hillary promised to raise my taxes 4% to 5%. And she is anti-gun. Easy choice given those two candidates.
So if I can support my family on 10% of what I make is it appropriate for the government to steal 90% of my money? How does that make sense? And who are you, or anyone else for that matter, to determine what is “fair” and what is not?
Why is there any good reason to take almost 50% of what someone makes? Has it eliminated poverty? No. It has grown government for certain…has that helped anyone? No.
We need an overhaul of the system. You don’t help someone when you hand them free money and food. You do help them by encouraging them to get a job and fend for themselves.
The old sang give a man a fish and you’ve fed him once teach him to fish and you’ve fed him for a lifetime.
The democrats throw money at problems expecting them to go away. They give someone money–basically reward them–for staying home. Psychology 101 any behavior rewarded is likely repeated. We now have generations on welfare and other government hand-outs. Government can’t solve this problem by encouraging those who are not working by giving them free stuff.
As for my money I can do more with it for the economy than the government regardless of which party is in power. I employ plenty of people and would employ even more if allowed to keep my money and further grow my business.
You will never agree with me until you find yourself in a similar position.
Okay I have been threatening to go workout now for about a half hour. This time I am going to go workout.
Take care my friend!
Edit: Not talking about the elderly or disabled. Only referring to the able bodied who would rather collect a government check and other goodies rather than work.
I didn’t say vote for a democrat, I said not be partisan. You can easily voice your views/opinions with your elected officials without voting for the other guy.
Agreed on all counts. I was just making sure it was clear that CURRENTLY, the GOP is taking your money. If the day comes where they lower your taxes, they’ll be taking less of it.
Edit: Also I still think its adorable that anyone thinks Trump will lower taxes for everyone. Some people just can’t math (this applies to Trump).
I’m not someone to decide what’s fair for you, which is why I said everyone should judge things on a case by case basis? Apologies if you didn’t understand what I was saying this entire time.
Of course it’s helped people. Those people just aren’t you.
We need a plague. Unfortunately, with global population levels, something like unemployment isn’t going to be tackled with “capitalism.” Especially in today’s day and age of automation.
I will most likely never be in a position similar to yourself, as times are different in millions of ways from your life to mine. We’ll never come close to having the same experiences.
So voice that concern with your elected official. This is the exact thing i’m talking about. Let them know you don’t want the elderly/disabled to be hurt by these new proposed law. If enough people voice their opinion (assuming they share yours) it will become a thing.
Huh? I am voicing my views and you call me partisan…which I am. But I am partisan for the very reasons which I explained.
Well, at this point I will take him at his word based on the other things that he promised to do and has done.
You said you wouldn’t mind the tax hike if you were able to support your family with the remainder. I simply disagree as it is my money and I know I can put it to better use than the bloated federal government. And I also give to multiple charities and other good causes. I don’t need the US government deciding that they need more of my money just to fritter away. And yes both parties have done this not just the dems.
I think you missed my point. I understand that in the short term it helps them. But in the long term it makes them dependent on government which does NOT help them and does not help the rest of us who are footing the bill.
Well, times are different. But, I do believe that any person with a good idea can still create a successful business in the US. Granted that might not be one of your goals in life and that’s fine as well.
My elected officials know exactly where I stand…especially the ones that I’ve donated money to. My passion is not about fairness however as I don’t believe that you can legislate such a thing. My passion is for opportunity for all and less government intrusion into my life. Less threats of taking hand-guns from honest people, or making it difficult for honest people to get a hand gun. My passion is for dropping the tax rate from the ridiculous levels they are currently to some sort of flat tax where everyone pays something and those who have done well are not punished for it. My passion is for taking care of the elderly and the disabled. But making sure that those who can work are not perpetually on the government dole.
This is certainly not the government that our forefathers would ever have created or even thought could exist. It’s an out of control octopus which can’t get out of it’s own way. It’s a freaking mess! And I fear we may have to hit bottom before both parties realize that the nanny state is not going to work.
What % of broken promises constitute taking someone at their word? Not bashing, just asking.
Starting a business isn’t even close to the realm of my life goals. I meant in regards to your viewpoints not having a chance of matching mine.
All great goals to have. 2 thumbs up
While I agree this isn’t the govt our forefathers would have wanted, I try to remind myself (personally) that I don’t care in the slightest what they would have wanted. This is our country to shape as we see fit. Ideas we share with them should be encouraged, but by no means should they be seen as the end all be all (imo). Our founding fathers created so much more of an imperfect system than we have today (again, imo).
As you know I vote on a few key issues, not uncommon. Gun rights is important and he appointed Gorsuch a conservative Judge. I don’t like a highly regulated business environment. He has slashed regulations as he promised. He said he is going to lower taxes. So far he is 2 for 3. If he keeps his word on the taxes he will be 3 for 3. I don’t really care about the wall as illegal immigration is already down about 65% simply by enforcing the laws that the previous President refused to do.
So to answer your question more directly if a Presidential candidate promises 10 things and gets 7 of them done he is doing exceptionally well. More than that is a miracle a bit less than that is fine if the promises that are kept are the big ones.
It’s probably more our age difference than the times. You are still young and don’t get offended but a bit idealistic. I am older and took off the rose colored glasses a long time ago. I’m jaded…
I know that politicians will serve themselves first. In other words their biggest goal is reelection That’s how I knew Trump would appoint a conservative to the SC and other so called experts thought differently. He needs the backing of conservatives and he was not going to get it unless he appointed a conservative. That was an easy call. But missed by those who dislike him so much that they question that he will do anything that he promised. But it is shaping up to be just the opposite.
See that…I knew deep down you are actually a conservative. LOL
I’m plenty jaded. I watched previous generations burn the economy to the ground with my own eyes while having no ability to stop it or set myself up to survive it better. I entered a job marketplace patently worse than it used to be while having no ability to stop it.
I just believe if I can provide adequately for my family and take care of their futures, that anything on top of that is just gravy. I don’t find nearly as much joy in money/things as I do in being very good at the things I choose to do.
To be fair, they question his promises because he’s broken nearly all of them.
I agree with the goals. I am just patently against the way the GOP tries to accomplish every goal you listed.
I don’t know any billionaires, but I have known 2 people that are somewhere in the lost count of the actual money range.
I got the impression from them that after a certain point, money and the numbers that represent it become more abstract than anything.
One guy who’s yard I took care of owned a nationwide moving company. He lost track of how many and what type of trucks were in his fleet(in the thousands). He even plainly stated that he didn’t care how much we charged or for how many hours. He just liked having us around and knowing that his yard was taken care of.
The other guy bought a rather substantial business just to get out of the house and have an office somewhere, and gave it to his son to “get him used to having stuff” once he graduated college.
Stuff like this is why they’re able to care more about the social programs than more money. They’re wealthy enough, and the type of people, to be able to live as comfortably as they want and not care about the remainder. I knew dozens of people like this back home. People that were by no stretch wealthy with any definition of the word, but they made enough to do the things that made them happy, and the rest was just extra. Everyone has a number like this, for some its just higher and others lower.
Regardless of how certain people feel about taxes whether they are rich or poor does not give the government the right to grow out of control waste countless billions and force people at gun point to pay for it.
This is not something exclusive to Democrats and Liberals. Republicans may talk a good game; but they are as willing to spend and waste a buck as their most Liberal colleagues. Hell…at least the Democrats will tell me when they are taking my money, and not try to hide behind a lot of Smoke, Mirrors and the American Flag.
I think this represents a lot of people in that realm–in other words they are more concerned with having something done (the yard) than with specific costs of doing said job.
I agree on the abstraction of money after a certain point. Barring people like the Trumpinator (who is not the majority opinion and has said money is “for keeping score of who is winning”), most wealthy people in that zone view money as a measure of respect.
Now, I don’t mean “respect” in the greedy sense. I mean it in the “I have built this with my own hands and sweat and strategy” sense. If anybody here has watched the UFC for a long time they will likely remember back to when Randy Couture was the heavyweight champ. Towards the end of his time in the UFC and after he was already a hall of famer and still champion he had a tiff with the organization over his purse size.
What he said was essentially “I don’t feel respected–they’re paying x, y, and z fighters more than me. These guys don’t have the belt, they are new to the organization, and they don’t have my pedigree. They’re upstarts. Why isn’t the UFC paying me equal to these new people?”
In other words for him it was not about the dollar amount, because Randy already was well off. I think a lot of business owners view things a bit like that
