Trump: The First Year

The golden age of the Russian Empire was under tsarinas - Elizaveta and Catherine the Great. Maria Theresia saved Austria from certain ruin by a string of dramatic military reversals… Also, the Brits remember Elizabeth and Victoria as pivotal sovereigns in their history and not Mad king George.

Indira Gandhi and Benazir Bhutto were by far the best PMs India and Pakistan respectively have produced.

And that’s without mentioning pantsy Scandinavians nor political icons such as Margaret Thatcher.

I think women have a much better track record, all the way from Queen Zenobia, their dramatically smaller sample of leaders nonwithstanding.

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I am sure there are millions of cases of men being better ‘mothers’ than mothers.

And I admit your list is exemplary. But in humans, men have been endowed to be the leader, in most situations. And I speak of leaders, not necessarily managers. Nor do I think men are more intelligent (haha - fire starter word). Simply equipped by nature to take the lead.

It’s my opinion, but borne out by billions of examples - throughout history.

Nothing yet has been proven in that regard. At this point I would bet that the collusion story is simply nonsense. As I have maintained all along.

You have that backwards my friend. You are blaming the person who is reporting the crime for being the perpetrator of the crime. An incredibly biased media damaged themselves. All Trump did was blow the whistle on them. And all we can do is thank him for it. But of course if I was on the left I wouldn’t be too happy that he has called them out either. They have been getting away with biased reporting for a long time. They cranked up just a bit too much against Trump and were caught.

Hey you had it good for a long time…

Apparently neither did Obama.

You will note I made no claims regarding ‘proof’ of anything.

Time, and history, will tell. I stand by my position.

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You sound like you’re getting your news directly from Trump’s twitter feed. Obama kicked out 35 Russian spies, closed two compounds and imposed sanctions. He has done far more than Trump’s nothing.

And let me add to this…

What the hell was the President SUPPOSED to do, Zeb?

We are in the middle of a hotly contested election that Trump…TRUMP…is calling rigged in favor of Clinton…all of sudden bring up the fact that the Russians were IN FACT doing everything in their power to bring down Clinton? (and OUR Intelligence Agencies have confirmed that they pulled out all stops…)

Please. Get real.

Nothing. He was very good at that anyway…

So it’s Obama’s fault. Of course. Trump is trying to stymie the new sanctions bill the Senate passed 97 to 2, said today that it’s “time to move forward in working constructively with Russia!” and wants to create a joint task force with Russia on cyber-security (insert simile here).

And just moments ago, Trump tweets this:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/884211874518192128

Right.

And from the very article you posted:

  1. “I think they were concerned about being perceived as interfering in the election, trying to tip the scales for Hillary Clinton,” said Schiff. “I think they were also concerned about not wanting to play into the narrative that Donald Trump was telling, that the election was going to be rigged.”

  2. Obama administration officials were sent back to the “drawing board” on how to proceed with the information after meeting with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

He added, “They were afraid that if they moved unilaterally, it would be seen as playing to Trump’s public statements as a candidate that this all was rigged in favor of Hillary Clinton.”

You can continue to buy into Trump’s bullshit that it’s “Obama’s Fault”, Zeb…

I won’t.

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Maybe. I certainly hope so, but you just recently came around to the idea that Russia interfered long after the fact that we have known it.

How is this defensible? Russia interferes with our election and Trumps answer is let’s work together on cyber security. It’s like offering the thief who robbed you and who plans to rob you again that you want to work with them on your home security system.

I take it back maybe he should just tweet about journalists, women’s looks, and how much he wants his daughter.

I do not see how he has supporters still. I can see being duped initially, but still?!

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Wait:

Since Russian intrusion and interference in the Election is “Fake News”…then President Obama did nothing…about nothing???

(My head hurts…)

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H:

You should have seen all of the comparisons that were being brought up after Trump made this announcement. It’s been insane…

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Trump’s core support is solid and immovable.

You can’t fix stupid

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I don’t know, H…

History has proven that a lot of smart people can be deceived by the words of Demagogues…

I didn’t say that. I merely posted what the CBS article said.

I don’t buy into anything Trump says we on the left all know that he is a very evil man and will soon be impeached.

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