Not True and I have conclusive proof!
All kidding aside can we get back on topic?
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How big of a deal is it amongst lifetime conservatives that Trump was pushing so hard for a stupid amount of voting history of the stateās citizens?
As I posted earlier I think it is a very big deal. Keep in mind that I am only speaking for myself. I also understand why he is doing it. But nonetheless I dislike it immensely.
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Do you share his belief that voter fraud is rampant and has huge influence on elections?
I think there is voter fraud. Why would this past Presidential election be any different? Would Kennedy have beaten Nixon if not for the voter fraud in Illinois?
Do I think Hillary won the popular vote, or that Trump won the election because of voter fraud? No. I have seen no evidence to suggest that this was the case.
What say you?
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Manā¦you gottaā LOVE the Mississippi Secretary of Stateās response:
āThey (the Trump folks) can go jump in the Gulf of Mexicoā¦ and Mississippi is a great State to launch fromā¦!ā
(ā¦and it donāt get no āredderā than Mississippi, folksā¦!)
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And so do all Stateās Attorney General and Election Officials.
Howeverā¦they all seem to agree that the amountās are so small that they are often dealt with on the Local Levelā¦
This is all a āTrump Ego-Drivenā issue.
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Itās misleading to talk about āvoter fraudā as if itās a monolithic phenomenon. There are various forms, and they vary wildly in prevalence.
Absentee-ballot voter fraud: The most prevalent form in the US (although still relatively uncommon). Despite the fact that it is most prevalent, there is essentially no appetite for addressing it.
In-person voter fraud: So rare as to be essentially non-existent. Despite the fact that it is vanishingly rare, it is the subject of expensive and elaborate legislative activities by many statehouses.
Undocumented immigrant voter fraud: Again, most studies indicate this is very rare. Also, itās important to point out that the incentives strongly run against undocumented persons voting:
āBut [cases of noncitizens voting] are rare, experts told us. Sarah Pierce, an associate policy analyst with the Migration Policy Institute, said thereās very little evidence of it, in part because the disincentives are enormous. It is an illegal offense for an unauthorized immigrant to vote ā a deportable offense that makes a person permanently inadmissible for return to the U.S., she said.ā [emphasis mine]
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NO!
The President of the United States citing Fake News???
SURELY this must be Fake News!
(Are you guys keeping up with all the āFake-nessā?)
I believe voter fraud is a problem, but I donāt think it is ārampantā. Frankly any fraud is a problem
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To somewhat echo the above, I feel like some of this push against āmass voter fraudā by Trump is because his ego canāt handle getting obliterated in the popular vote by what is easily the worst Democratic candidate of my lifetime.
Moreso than that, I think Trumpās already looking for an edge in the next election, because he knows heās genuinely going to need it. If provided, that level of voting data would be the holy grail of voter information. Coupled with Trump surrounding himself by family members whose futures rest in Trumpās legacy, getting an excuse for a first hand look at the most valuable voter info imaginable is terrifying to me.
To me, this is scarier than Trump revealing classified Intel to the Russians after they fucked around with our election. I really do shudder to think about the public backlash if anyone other than Trump had pulled a stunt like this.
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I agree. The irony is, all he had to say was āWe ran an electoral-vote campaign, not a popular-vote campaign. If we had wanted to win the popular vote, we would have spent far more time and resources in states like CA and NY. By doing so, we could easily have run up our popular-vote totals in those statesānot enough to win them, but more than enough to beat HRCās popular-vote total.ā
Done. Popular vote issue settledāwinning! But instead, he went with this cockamamie lie about millions of fraudulent votes. Dumb dumb dumb.
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Kobach does not have a good history of playing straight, which makes this exercise even more concerning than simply assuaging Trumpās ego.
According to database expert Mark Swedlund, an astonishing one in six Hispanics and one in nine African-Americans are on Kobachās āpotential double registeredā list of seven million suspects in the twenty-eight states.
But Crosscheck functions by merely matching the first name and last name of voters in the 28 Crosscheck states. This screenshot of the Georgia-Virginia suspect list created by Kobach shows that Barbara ANN Jackson of Georgia is identified as potentially the same voter as Barbara FAYE Jackson of Virginia. Similarly, Billy RAY Jackson may be the same voter as Billy MANUEL Jackson JR.
The matches may seem ludicrous, but all these voters could lose their vote.
Swedlund calls Kobachās approach a āsimplistic, childishā matching algorithm. He says, āIf your name is Jose Hernandez, youāre likely suspected of voting in 28 states!ā
Indeed, in Virginia, at least 12 percent of voters on Kobachās list lost their votes before the last election.
Virginia has purged tens of thousands of voters from the stateās rolls using the Crosscheck suspect list.
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And ultimately, itās starting to make me wonder how deep this rabbit hole goes. Everyone assumed he was constantly talking about a āriggedā system so that if he lost, he had an out. This shit makes me think the part B to that rhetoric was so he would start to normalize stuff like asking for ridiculously in depth voter information straight from the states.
Trump has run such a chaotic administration, that Iām scared shitless that this will just be one more crazy thing Trump has done that gets lost in the shuffle. Every week he finds a way to normalize the type of things that would have had people marching on DC en masse.
Iām running out of tinfoil for this ever growing hat
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Thatās a valid point, but my take on the āRigged!ā meme is different. What bugs me about it is the timingāTrump started in with it near the end of the election cycle, and it seems to have hamstrung Obama regarding making public the info concerning Russian meddling. That is, one reason Obama was reluctant to go public on Russia was that he didnāt want to make it seem he was attempting to tilt the election. Trumpās āRigged!ā meme was timed perfectly to reinforce Obamaās hesitation in this regard. If Obama had come forward with what was known at the time about Russia, Trump would have jumped all over it as proof-positive the system was rigged.
Quite frankly, of all the facts we currently know about Russiaās meddling, it is the seemingly perfect timing of Trumpās decrying a rigged election that makes me wonder whether in fact someone in his campaign was colluding with the Russians. (Well, that and Manafortās bank account.)
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And this is what sticks with me about all the Russia stuff. He PROBABLY wasnāt colluding with the Russians, and his staff PROBABLY wasnāt colluding either. But these are questions we should never have to ask ourselves when voting for the most powerful man on the planet.
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Having knowledge of Russian involvementā¦and turning a blind eye because it helped their cause?
That is VERY plausible, IMO.
Agreed. I meant more in the direction of direct colluding. I donāt think anyone would be surprised if Trump came out on twitter saying he knew was was going on and let it happen because āWe are going to make America great again!ā
His base would swallow that pill pretty easily.