Now I feel like an idiot for encouraging someone to post that had voice concerns over exactly this.
Congrats @loppar. You’ve exposed Raj for something everybody already knew he was, and in doing so made yourself for the same.
Main difference is that Raj is a pretty shameless creep, but you feel the need to justify your action with the disingenuous justification of doing him a favor.
You happy now that you have achieved a net negative?
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No, but I reserve to right to call a publicly self-declared white supremacist a neo-Nazi.
If you want to continue playing make-believe that he’s not a Neo-nazi, that his arguments and viewpoints stem from valid concerns and engage him in discussion, please do.
No matter how repulsive his internet persona is, I wouldn’t want real life therajraj, whoever he actually is, to suffer any consequences from his lack of Internet awareness. I’ve seen people fired and not get hired because they posted stupid shit on Twitter.
Think of this what you will.
I, too, agree with @anon50325502 on this - no one’s identity or personal life should be fair game (unless that person chooses to insert those things into the debate, but even then, I see no reason to go outside the debate at hand).
But we use Google all the time to bolster/refute arguments by finding quotes, articles, etc. submitted by various folks of varying authorities. To me, if Raj says something worth refuting, Googling and finding a quote or article by [internet pundit] that refutes him is indistinguishable from Googling and finding a quote from Raj himself refuting Raj. Your opinion is on the internet? It’s fair game.
Now, I think Twitter is one of the dumbest things ever invented, and color me surprised you could easily Google Twitter content. But if that content is relevant to the debate at hand, it’s as much in bounds as content from National Review, the New York Times, or even the archives of this very site - after all, how often do we go search for something said here in PWI to show someone is taking a position they are saying they didn’t take before?
I couldn’t care less about Raj’s personal life - but if someone wants to refute Raj’s attempts to paint himself in PWI as something as the racist worm he is by saying “hey, that’s not what you said here, here, and here”, nothing unethical has taken place and I’m not going to get too bent out of shape.
Well its funny you should say that, because I’ve never even entertained the idea that he isn’t at least a wanna be.
In fact, I may have warned him that these people that he wants to be part of would actually make him a victim.
Let me illustrate my point - let’s say you live in Baltimore - and two people ask you “do you think that crime in Baltimore is out of control?” - one of them is a guy off the street, and the other is Richard fucking Spencer.
You’ll probably assume that the first guy is asking out of concern, curiosity and you give an earnest answer about the situation from your perspective. Hell, you may even engage him in discussion about specific methods to fight reduce/crime and even vehemently disagree with him about specific issues.
But do you think Richard Spencer in the second example is really asking about the crime in Baltimore? Or is he being disingenuous?
Is this a joke? He searched and compiled personal information about me and then had the audacity to post it on this forum. He also bragged that this is only the tip of the iceberg of his findings
I wonder if @loppar and the posters condoning his actions have any clue they’re bottoming out fast? Probably not
Agreed, and let me make one other point. I have been around PWI for a good long while now, and those of us who have recall the occasional attempts by Stormfronters and other racist creeps to get some momentum for themselves in our fair internet forum. These forums being more or less self-regulated, a number of us had really what amounted to a zero tolerance policy on such nonsense - we not only met them on the merits but made clear we had a good thing going here and we wouldn’t let them taint it.
So, once Raj made clear where he stood, in my mind, that bell can’t be unrung.
The thing is Raj, what you’ve done is created a very unsympathetic, albeit comical picture of yourself.
By aligning yourself with neo-nazis its hard to even refute loppars doxxing of you, except on the principal that its the ultimate ad-hominem. Even then its tenuous because you’ve created the image with such enthusiasm.
I didn’t search for personal information - I glanced at the two first pages of google results of your username, without even doing the click through and provided some glaring particulars.
I don’t know who you are, but based on what I saw (I know something about the Interwebz) I’d venture to say that there is a highway with neon-lights going from your real life identity to your crazy internet persona.
Since you seemed genuinely surprised by this and how much information you publicly volunteered, I’d say I did you a favor.
I’m still trying to wrap my brain around the irony of someone that wants to ban an entire religion from entering our nation complaining that he’s being treated unfairly because of his “ideology.”
Are you a man of principles? If so the above doesn’t matter.
usmccds423 disagrees with 99.9% of my opinions here but he even has threatened to leave PWI over nonsense like this.
Actually no. I’ve done more damage to more people and communities based purely on self interest than most people can imagine.
You can take this for what ever you think its worth but- With ^ that being said, these people whose ideology you buy into make me look like a cupcake.
Did you leave that information out on the street (internet)? If you’re out there telling your story publicly because you’re so important the world needs to hear your story, then you don’t have my sympathy if someone actually consumes that information and uses it.
This is kind of an issue honestly. I do not condone searching about someone’s personal life. At the same time, I don’t have twitter because I don’t want a footprint and any of the online media that I consume have completely unrelated handles/usernames to each other, to put up some barrier against this type of thing. I know that anything I put up is public domain and that nothing on the internet actually ever dies any more. This way I know that if someone does try to find information about me they are either unable to or they are digging intentionally past the level of ‘common curiosity’ and into uber creeper. Typically people use the same or similar handles to encourage following rather than discourage.
I’ve actually used google to look posts of mine on T-nation up because I couldn’t remember where or when they were (and the site’s search engine wasn’t helping me). I’ve used it for other posters for the same reason–when I can’t remember where/what was said but have an idea of the context or a phrase used. Sometimes that search has returned other information from off-site–although I’ve never posted it and don’t intend for that to happen, it has happened over the past 15 years or so that I’ve been foruming.
I’m of two minds on this because I don’t think it at all appropriate to search people’s private lives, but at the same time twitter and other online sources are essentially “mini broadcast towers” that a person uses to tell “their story” and their opinions to the world. The entire intent is to be heard by people–if it wasn’t, why would you be talking intentionally into a void? This means that your goal is to say things and be heard or seen, and that means that if you use a common name people can easily–even accidentally–come up with additional information. I’ve done this myself by accident while searching on non-political topics related to other items such as nutrition, science, training, etc.
Is it ok to look up personal info? I don’t feel that it is, no. However when speaking out to the world don’t be surprised when the world speaks back to you (Nietzsche paraphrased for the internet age).
Well, to be entirely frank, there is still the issue that this kind of “background check” activity is something that he has actively advocated in the past for vetting purposes related to immigration and religion. So it does make it a bit difficult to be extremely upset about it happening to him when he has advocated similar tools be used to vet potential immigrants based on ideological and religious grounds. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander–and this is precisely one of the reasons I remain so concerned about government power…I don’t believe it is good for goose OR gander.
No different than a person walking around at night by themselves in a bad neighbourhood shouldn’t be surprised that they get mugged. But the self-induced vulnerable position by the person doesn’t make the mugger’s action justifiable.
This incident has made clear who has engaged in some of level of introspection into what constitutes moral, ethical behaviour and those who haven’t.
In “Bigger, Stronger, Faster” Louie Simmons says “Your morals are your morals, not mine.” Remember that before you put info on the web.
Easy there bud. You have demonstrated on several occasions the ability to take shots at people that are generally considered out of bounds. In a thread a couple years ago you called my wife a fat pig, and took an unnecessary shot at Activities Guy just the other day.
So don’t act like some lonely pillar of principled behavior when you have no problem taking personal information gleaned from other conversations and using them like a sucker punch.
And then there is the fact that you started this conversation about exposure- Yourself. Loppar didn’t divulge his findings until after you claimed that he did it.
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Easy there bud. You have demonstrated on several occasions the ability to take shots at people that are generally considered out of bounds. In a thread a couple years ago you called my wife a fat pig,[/quote]
That was several years ago and I apologized immediately afterwards. The fact you’re still hanging onto a few words said years ago, says more about you than me. Get over it, or stop responding to my posts.
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and took an unnecessary shot at Activities Guy just the other day.[/quote]
Nah I give as good as I get. He deserves what I sent his way.
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So don’t act like some lonely pillar of principled behavior when you have no problem taking personal information gleaned from other conversations and using them like a sucker punch.[/quote]
I don’t act like I’m a lonely pillar, but I know enough to not engage in comprehensive searches across the internet of people trying to maintain some semblance of anonymity.
He’s posted my tweets in this thread before, I didn’t even know the extent of his searches until today. I’m glad I found out what he’s up to. now I can prevent more.