Legal Resident is probably acceptable to denote ‘green card’ holder that is not a citizen.
What are you asking specifically, as if I can’t see through it lol
lol, I was actually just confused about what you posted not trying to catch you in some “gotcha” moment. I get what you’re saying now.
A photoshopper’s dream, lol
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No shit.
I don’t know how you’ve managed to confuse yourself so severely about a short, simple exchange to which you were a party, but I guess I’ll fuckin’ hold your hand through it:
[1]. There was a controversy (not really, because it’s been settled for a year, but uh alternative facts amirite?) about whether Trump’s humiliating, clownish, viciously racist candidacy-announcement had availed itself of the words “they’re rapists,” “there are rapists,” or “their rapists.”
[2]. You offered the following poorly-reasoned and objectively wrong theory:
[3]. I explained to you that your theory – viz., that Trump had said “there are rapists” – was objectively wrong. I further explained, twice, that we know all this with certainty because Trump him-fucking-self released an annotated transcript of the remarks in question, and this transcript reads…drum roll…“they’re rapists.”
Does that help?
I assume you’ll continue dishonestly trying to move the goalposts in order to avoid having to own up to being wrong. But I already put it all in plain English above, in the post that convinced Jewbacca to abandon his failing attempt at an argument and instead lie about what Trump had said (this being the unnecessary and stupid tangent that brought you into the mix). Also, frankly, I am not interested in learning further about your inability to understand a two-word clause in English.
So you really think Trump said rapists are “good people”? Uh, OK.
I understand you are a liberal, and thus, either stupid, insane, misguided, or evil (pick one), but surely you can read the phrase in context.
The question was whether or not he said “they’re rapists.” We know he did – with absolute certainty – because he proved he did. In writing.
But you go ahead and keep on waddling around as if this argument isn’t over. It’ll definitely distract everybody from your wormish inability to own a loss.
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Their are only a couple of person’s hear, and irregardless of they’re education level - up too pH d: even right that good.
Whose to say that the transcript was write to?
Serious question btw.
Did you ever hear the joke about the panda?
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I haven’t.
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Ah
Was thinking - A priest, a rabbi, and a panda are in a bar…
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Morning all! I really apppreciate all the immigration debate. Trying to catch up with all of your comments and waiting for @smh_23 to tell me to start my own damn Mexcio thread. I know the economics of this are complicated and people often cherry pick data, but the Cato Institutue link that @EyeDentist put up was really very good, and there are lots of embeded links in it to other articles and data if any of you missed it. It lit up a lot of my Republitarian values, emphasis on the little “l” in there.
It’s been such a third rail issue for the GOP. This is an interesting take on it. Do you want to be Texas or California? I’d be interested in perspectives from Texas Reps. This touches on some of the differences in the way the GOP has handled immigration, with Texas being less “at war” with immigrants. Thoughts?
https://www.cato.org/blog/proposition-187-turned-california-blue
CA Rep governor Pete Wilson back in the day.
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Ruff, I know you’re much closer to the border. My family is up closer to Colorado, so we don’t experience border traffic. Here in CA we have some areas just inland from San Diego where there are communities where cartels are moving drugs through, coyotes bringing people, etc…
Just another anecdote for some balance. My experience with Mexican farm workers as a child was overwhelmingly positive. We had a family of brothers that came up nearly every summer through the 70’s and early 80’s. They had their own small farms, and families in central Mexico. They knew how to brand, castrate, immunize, run farm equipment. My dad grew up bilingual just from playing with local kids. Anyway, they ate dinner with us in the summers, and played hide and seek with us outside in the evenings. They missed their own children. I had a baby pig that got stepped on by her mama. One of them took a needle and thread and I held her while he sewed up her little haunches for me. She became a pet that followed me around like a dog. Dad couldn’t get high school or college kids who were willing to spend their summers out in the heat, or head out to the fields at 2:00 am when the irrigation water came in, although he did hire some local college-age kids over the years.
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Great post.
Just for strictly pragmatic reasons, I don’t see mass deportations as possible. So many families with children who are citizens, as the BIG one. AND I think it would destroy the GOP if it were to happen.
To all of you, on one side of the debate are Sanctuary Cities, and the other side is “Build the Wall.” We’ve already dramatically increased the number of people patrolling the border, and we have fences in places. States like AZ have instituted mandatory electronic registration for employers, with mixed economic results (maybe saving on schools, but loosing in terms of GDP), so it looks like their crackdown may be hurting them economically overall.
As @Basement_Gainz mentioned, Republicans tend to be pretty binary about upholding the law, defense of rule of law. To me, the sanctuary idea sounds like saying federal law is nullified in certain local areas, or in states like CA if they decided to be a sanctuary state. How do you guys interpret that? There are federal laws. It seems like a strange position for the Dems to take in saying, “In our local area we won’t uphold them.” Dems are usually arguing the opposite way, for MORE federal control, right? I’m confused by it a bit.
Some of you want more enforcement for people who hire illegal workers. What would that look like? I want rule of law, but I don’t want a police state, so that idea bothers me a bit.
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Every employer should have an I-9 form for every single employee. That’s federal law since 1986. It gets audited but incredibly rarely. The federal government could do some data mining and figure out which businesses are hiring people using false id’s (which isn’t the business owner’s fault necessarily). The SS administration does try to find “no-match” situations and send out letters to employers but it’s rare.
Also it’s not that intrusive for the feds to roll up and ask to see a companies I-9’s. If the company is following the law they just go back to an HR drawer and bam they’ve complied. I’d be willing to bet if you rolled up to a wine vinyard in most of Napa valley there woild be no I-9’s for the illegals working there.
Current law has a max fine of $1,100 per employee without an I-9 . Consider the cost of that fine vs the savings of hiring an illegal and no minimum wage/fica/ss/unemp. That fine needs to be much higher in my opinion, up to and including jail time for people who greivously ignored the law.
Also going after the businesses is way easier than going after illegal migrants. Businesses have addresses, EIN numbers, tax returns, they don’t move. It doesn’t take a huge police state to find a business. It does take a police state to find 11 million people with fake ID’s.
The idea is crack down on the businesses to the point where jobs for illegals dry up. Let them start self deporting.
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If a family man breaks the law because they robbed a liquor store, should they avoid prison time as to not separate a parent from his children?
Fact is, if you break the law, you are taking on the risk of being separated from your loved ones if caught.
While correct. The optics are just perfect as evidenced by the Arizona woman they are deporting now. Van surrounded with protesters and crying children “don’t deport my mommy”.
We can’t expect the average voter to overcome the feelz and use reason. It just won’t happen.
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This basically DEFINES the problem/limits with mass deportation. Nobody in their right mind wants to own something like mass deportation, because at the end of the day anyone that does gets to enjoy a Mt Everest sized uphill battle of winning the next re-election campaign.
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