Your condescension of everything American, in virtually every post, is noted.
However your implying the US has only treated Europe as a business proposition or some barrier against Russia is truly laughable. Americans in the last century have spent tens of trillions of dollars in helping defeat 3 ideologies, feed starving people, rebuild destroyed countries, & give economies a reset. I guess the 750,000 casualties fighting your battles weren’t humanitarian either.
Nope. Just condescension towards the belief espoused by Donald J Trump and his chief Breitbart ideologist that virtually every country in the world is/was taking advantage of the US - or how he eloquently phrased it that the US was “getting a bad deal”
I’m just repeating the same arguments that were often succinctly framed by a certain Ronald Reagan. But then again, maybe Bannon considers him a leftist now?
It’s good in theory, but not in application - it sounds as sloppy as everything else Trump does. The whole one-for-two is just thoughtless meat cleaving and it assumes all regulations and regulatory bodies are equal in their worth (or worthlessness). That’s not true.
There needs to be qualitative review, first by the executive branch, then by Congress. First round is eliminate duplication across the board. That’ll help and it will momentum. Then the next layer of qualitative review (policy review). Back all that up with a reduction in budget for agencies (force them to get serious about prioritizing).
This behemoth wasn’t constructed in a day and won’t be undone quickly. And it has to be done smartly, because many regulations are very important, and the cartoonish approach
of “just cut all of the things” is a bad idea.
This all seems very reasonable. Only issue I have is with #5. That seems like insanity to bribe people who are here illegally with THAT much money when they could very easily just come back. I doubt you’d get either side of the fence on board with that one.
Also the timeline would probably need to be adjusted. Most conservative estimates put the time to build the wall at 10-12 years. Any rollout of immigration will realistically have to be done in 3-4
Ya, you’re talking about anywhere from a quarter to half a trillion dollars in cash payout alone… Gonna pass on that.
Sure they do, they’re human beings.
There’s a concept in law, a defense, called laches, which means “unreasonable delay in making an assertion or claim, such as asserting a right, claiming a privilege, or making an application for redress, which may result in refusal.”
The basic idea is that if you want to enforce your right against someone, do it in a reasonable time frame because it’s unfair and unjust to let that person get on with their lives, settle in, and then have their rights unsettled after you have declined for so long to do anything about it.
It doesn’t technically apply in the context of statutory immigration enforcement (an illegal immigrant couldn’t raise it as a defense in immigration court), but I think the policy and principle of it as a matter of justice is wholly applicable when considering what policy to enact next to deal with these folks.
They shouldn’t suffer this late in the game after so many years of turning a blind eye. So give them a path to citizenship.
The very first thing that needs to be done is rewrite the anchor baby legislation.
This is an interesting concept. Do you happen to know what the general timeline tends to look like in these types of defenses? Not that it would apply to immigration, just curious what it normally looks like.
Does it fall into the spiderman-esque “If you have the ability, you have the responsibility” or is it more/less like a statute of limitations kind of thing?
Is the official “conservative” position now to give a pathway to citizenship to illegals?
That’s the law that facilitates the scam.
They cross the border plop out a couple of kids and now they have American children entitled to welfare.
The icing on the cake is now a path to citizenship from our politicians.
How about Trump grants them amnesty by saying if they self-deport, they will be granted amnesty from the laws they’re broken. Illegal aliens can receive anywhere from 2-10 years in prison from what I’ve been told.
Ah, but isn’t there a principle of equity that one cannot set up an iniquity as a defence?
Surely the initial breach of law, followed by the subsequent avoidance of the authorities pursuant to this would make it inequitable to ground a defence in the delay of deportation/prosecution.
I’m actually on board with this thought (the amnesty part). It’s been passed around for years but for some reason nobody gives it much thought. I think what you’d have to do is give amnesty AND allow them to immediately start green card/citizenship proceedings instead of the conventional right side concept of also barring them from re entering the country for X number of years.
Well that’s why I said finish the wall first before offering the cash. The wall means it is harder (not impossible) to get back in. Plus if you have their fingerprints/picture on record if you do catch someone who took a payment years later instant deportation, no appeal.
Also the amount isn’t important. It could be $500. Ideally you’d have a situation where businesses are only hiring people with legit paperwork and I9’s. That romoves almost all incentive to be here illegally. Do a little bit of fraud detectionn in HUD and SNAP to remove those incentives. So of the 12 million estimated to be here illegally, let’s say 6 million leave because of jobs drying up. So 3 million take the payment and the bus ticket and 3 million take citizenship.
It’s important to make clear that after this “one time only!” amnesty that the rules get real simple, real fast. You sneak in, we boot you out. Done. Also we could reform guest worker VISAs and such to prevent over staying. Reforming the path to citizenship is important too.
But the idea is to put the poor we do have to work. We have enough hopeless, permanently unemployed poor here, no need to import more. We always here about “buy American” well how about “hire American”. And that’s not code for “don’t hire hispanic people” but hire people who are either native or here legally.
Will US fruit cost more if we have to pay people min wage? Yes. Will kitchen staff and other entry level jobs have to actually be above board and pay people? Yes. If the bleeding hearts actually cared about the workers and conditions then they would be on board with stamping out the shady part of the economy.
Also the payment model works great in real estate, It’s called “cash for keys”. It seems unfair at first… but it makes economic sense.
If you have a tenant that stopped paying rent, and you live in a tenant friendly locale where it takes 6-9 months to evict. Walk up to the tenant and say “I’ll give you $1,000 8f you’re out by the 31st.” If you are making $1k/month rent on that apartment, and you get them out 8 months early you just made a positive NPV investment. You make sure they’re out, have them sign that they surrender the property, hand them the check and change the locks behind them.
In regards to birthright citizenship, good luck…
The necessity of the 14th amendment can be directly linked to the Dred Scott abomination of a decision.
The above are not a guarantee that “anchor babies” won’t lose their automatic citizenship via birth on US soil, but I’m not aware of any precedent that the Justices can rely on to rule against it.
Plus, Gorsuch is supposed to be a plain text Justice and “All persons born or naturalized in the United States” seems pretty straight forward.
We’re gonna spend at least a hundred billion dollars and they’re just gonna come back in? That doesn’t seem like much of a solution to me.
That’s fine. But no more anchor babies. The baby is born here. Great, baby is a citizen. Doesn’t make the mother a citizen. Give the kid up for adoption here or take the kid back with you.
Does anyone think the terms get confused?
Moving here because ‘they are starving’ versus moving here because the grass is many shades greener.
I doubt many of us begrudge someone wishing to do better and taking the legal or moral steps to achieve that desire. On the other hand, who would admire a dirt poor hustler that fabricates a background and survives in a company by hiding in work groups, getting credit for others’ contributions, etc? All to live in Highland Park rather than the Ozarks.
Oh my I bet bank robbers, rapists,murderers and other felons would love a place to hide out and feel that warm and fuzzy feeling too.
How come only the illegal immigrant felons get this opportunity?
Plus some of them get to burn the flag, break windows and walk around with kerchiefs over their faces. And that to them is quite an adventure.
In other words those types are idiots pure and simple.
“Felons”? Under most circumstances, illegal entry into the US is a misdemeanor, not a felony. The mere act of being an undocumented immigrant is not of itself a crime.