Trump shot? What the hell

Um, let me answer this delicately. She probably has the best intentions and would do anything to protect president Trump. But, I think equally trained men with the same attitude is a better option.

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To put it bluntly, she (or any he, for that matter) needs to be at least the same height as Trump; taller would be even better. Otherwise, itā€™s impossible to shield the protectee from a head shot.

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The student of human nature in me would love to compare those^^ people to the number of flat earthers and fake moon landing-ers.

Same idiots would claim Trump is as demented as Bernie (not Sanders), but somehow Trump had the split second timing and coordination necessary to turn his head at the exact moment the bullet arrived, so that the bullet would only graze his ear instead of taking a piece of his head/brain out.

If they did their job properly with regard to securing the area, it wouldnā€™t be an issue. Iā€™m no expert, but I would have thought they would have placed people anywhere that would have made good positions for a sniper. Trump is really lucky because from what Iā€™ve read, the shooter was very close. There are posters here who were in the military and we used iron sites when qualifying. At a distance of under 150 yards, with a scope (Iā€™m assuming he used a scope), I doubt any of us would have missed.

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That fact is objectively the one plausible conspiracy theory -was it an improperly performed job? or a purposeful blind eye?

Supposedly, the security team i.e. SS agents was understaffed, and a request for additional agents was denied. Theoretically, the additional staff wouldā€™ve been assigned after the RNC chose the official candidate.

If by purposeful, you mean this was a planned assassination by Biden and company (more like company as Biden couldnā€™t order a sandwich) then I would disagree as Trump would be dead and the shooter would probably have escaped.

If you mean they were OK with not allowing the SS the ability to do the best job possible then, I would agree with that. I could see the SS detail not be being happy and even telling Trump they were not OK with him doing some of these public events, but I could also see Trump saying he was going to do them regardless.

I think the answer is obviously yes. The questions are, was it for reasons beyond their control, like being understaffed, or was it because of incompetence or laziness? I donā€™t believe in the former as an excuse. Not that they werenā€™t understaffed but that that was allowed to happen. What I mean is, if there was a shortage of SS for whatever reason, they could have made use of other resources such as the FBI and other agencies. They do that already. What I would want to see is proof that the SS detail requested more bodies and if they were denied, then whoever denied it should face serious consequences.

The AP reported that a local police officer climbed up on the roof, the gunman pointed his gun at him, so the office retreated down the ladder. Thatā€™s when he opened fire. Sounds like he was rushed into taking the shot.

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Definitely rushed, you can see in the one video when bystanders start yelling ā€œheā€™s got a gunā€ then the shooting starts. But donā€™t forget was 20. Who knows how proficient he was with a rifle in general. I was nowhere near as good a shooter 20 years ago as I am now.

The music is annoying as hell, but as a foreign news source, they are less ā€œtactfulā€ in laying out the facts. Personally, to be clear, Iā€™m not in the conspiracy camp. But not giving the Trump team (allegedly) the full amount of manpower requested totally jibes with the denial of any SS protection at all to RFK, Jr. At best, the Biden team is a bunch of mean spirited pricks. At worst, letā€™s be brutally blunt, theyā€™re sorry the bullet missed.

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Just a guess but it seems like the shooter was looking for a headshot, which changes things a little. Most off the shelf ARs have a ~ 2.5 MOA tolerance allowance in a controlled wind tunnel off a bench rest. This alone is roughly half a face in width at distance, with a perfect shot and no wind. Not that it matters, but the shooters mistake (which Iā€™m glad he made) was very likely not aiming center mass.

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SS spokesman rejected the claim that trump was denied additional requested personnel.

ā€˜Thereā€™s an untrue assertion that a member of the former Presidentā€™s team requested additional security resources & that those were rebuffed,ā€™ Guglielmi wrote on X on Sunday morning, responding to Trump supporters and online claims.

ā€˜This is absolutely false. In fact, we added protective resources & technology & capabilities as part of the increased campaign travel tempo.ā€™

The really dark conspiracy is this was done by Democrats, in the hope that a MAGA supporter kills Biden in retaliation, because he wonā€™t step down on his own.

Too many video games. If he aimed center mass this may have been a different story.

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There should never be violence from either side. We have to use the system or improve the system, but without a system we have chaos. I wonā€™t even pretend to like Trump, but he shouldnā€™t be killed for anything he has done. We either win or lose the elections, but if violence takes place we all lose and may lose the ability to have another election and change the outcome next time. All Americans should stand against this sort of crap. It stands against the values we all have, or at least the values we all say we have. Unfortunately, there are people on both sides wanting to bring physical harm to those they stand against. All of us should always speak out and stand up to those who preach or demonstrate the use of violence.

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That would be true, although I read that ARs have a 1.5 MOA at 100 yds, if he didnā€™t zero his rifle (I think. Itā€™s been a while since Iā€™ve fired one. I live in gun Naziland currently.). I am inclined to believe he was inexperienced, rushed and on top of that went for a head shot. But usually those PA boys are very good with guns.

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That was F-ed up. But I could see how the woke rainbow brigade that Biden has working for him would have no idea who JFK or RFK were.

Agreed 100% with everything.

Change the system through the voting process. Changing the system for ā€œyour guyā€ through violence has no place on our country. Period. Iā€™m glad Biden made it immediately clear in no uncertain terms that this act is unacceptable and has no place in America, instead of issuing a vague statement with soft language.

Itā€™ll be interesting to see if this guy was an extremist with a political purpose, or if he was just a looney with an unhinged manifesto.

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Oh, I wouldnā€™t go that far. Otherwise there would be no USA.

Thatā€™s the key. Being grounded in reality and understanding where the line is. To be clear, I agree with most of what you said.

I think people have forgotten this.

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The other side wasnā€™t Americans in that case.

Something around half of our combat casualties in all wars have been from Americans killing Americans when we had to fight about it.

Back in 2018 I compared Democrat rhetoric directed at Trump to 1860ā€™s Democrat rhetoric directed at Lincoln. It has only ratcheted up since and here we are, with someone seemingly believing that heā€™s actually the things that Democrats and the media say he is.

People I know are upset at this outcome. They actually believe the narrative.

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