You’re an adult, though. As far as I know, nobody is advocating the banning of these books in general, but limiting access per age based content appropriateness. Specifically public access. And not just access, but introduction to, via required curriculum in some cases.
So, again, where do you draw the line? Do you disagree with movie ratings?
And schools shouldn’t prepare kids for these types of arguments?
Sure, by introducing the skills necessary from an objective, academic standpoint.
There have been local calls to remove these from public libraries.
Probably a different place than you. As @zecarlo the fact we don’t teach hard books that cover tough subjects is the reason many entering college can’t think worth a damn. (One of many reasons anyway).
To some extent yes. I get why they are there as general guidance but my youngest have seen some PG-13 movies (ones I have seen before).
But they are all moral arguments. How do you make a moral argument if you never had to learn about these arguments in school?
I can agree that’s an issue, but would be curious if it’s a complete ban or an age based access restriction.
Are you discussing critical thinking in general?
So, again, because you’re ok with it means society at large should have their kids subjected to it?
I’ve legitimately learned more, in general, outside of school than in, for most topics outside of STEM.
If anyone thinks their kid hasn’t been introduced to the concept of “anal rape” or any other offensive/mature content found in literature by the time they enter high school, they are probably Amish. The internet, and middle schoolers in general are wild. Providing a structured space to analyze and understand how those things play into real life is better than letting them be “taught” by TikTok…IMO.
Personally, I want my kid prepared to analyze and have the ability to critically form opinions about morally challenging subject matter before the proverbial training wheels come off and they are adults in the wild.
A hard and fast rule would be once sex ed starts, books shouldn’t be censored for sexual/violent content.
And you decide for everybody?
Again, why is it schools job to teach this and not the parent?
Are you a parent?
I’m a parent. I’ll teach it alongside the school with my everyday interactions and conversations.
If you don’t want your kid learning about and discussing mature content that 99% have already been exposed to… Homeschool is an option, or a private school. But thinking middle school on up can’t handle or doesn’t benefit from discussing mature topics in a structured setting is awfully naive, seeing as they all are already discussing in a non structured setting.
It’s interesting that you would feel this way but one-sided. When opposing thought around topic exposure and morality questions enter the picture you’re evidently pretty opposed. So it’s not a matter of principle for you but personal preference that you’re essentially evangelizing.
What if instead of force feeding your narrow view on everybody else you left school neutral and owned parental responsibility on your own?
Are you incapable of addressing mature topics in a structured way with your children?
That same line of thought is how my public school has expanded the scope of the school’s mission, along with the budget. That last big budget hike got passed with a little help from Maine’s complete lack of voter verification and a few hundred or maybe a few thousand “New Mainers” who are totally 100 percent US Citizens who just need lots and lots of translators to make sure they understand everything correctly.
Last month the school board reasoned themselves into providing narcan and narcan training to middle school on up with no parental approval needed. If you don’t want your kid to have anything to do with assuming that kind of responsibility, you would have had to learn about it second-hand. Parents were not directly notified by the school.
In a heavily progressive district like mine, there’s no guarantees your kid will learn any useful mathematics on their way to their diploma. Subject matter competence is, broadly speaking, simply not required. There is a guarantee that they will have access to cross-sex hormones. There is a guarantee that they will see or be subjected to serious violence that is fully tolerated by the administration. There is a guarantee that they will be subjected to many, many adults who take an active interest in passing on their cultish religion to your child with the full sanctioning of State of Maine.
It has been 100 percent progressive Democrat controlled for decades, with any conservatives that have held office being able to accomplish little more than offering minor obstacles on the road to radical progressive policy implementation.
You guys don’t get to run away from the outcomes of your policies anymore, or insist that people who disagree are imagining things. The outcomes are in-hand.
Teach what? Right from wrong or, the ability to consider questions about right and wrong?
Do we teach kids it was right to drop an atomic bomb on Japan or do we tell them the various arguments for and against and then let them decide?
Both the left and right want the former, meaning kids are told what’s right and wrong. Displaying the Ten Commandments in school? So when a kid asks why we should not kill, the answer is because God said so?
To answer directly, the underlying ability to think critically is important for school to teach, feeds STEM initiatives, and can be done without introducing the subjects of anal rape, transgenderism or the Bible.
I don’t think the 10 Commandments should be in school either.
100% of the English lit curricula can be taught without introducing anal rape, or the Bible and its underlying messaging.
Both tie in to selection criteria discussed almost ad nauseum at this point. Public schools certainly aren’t the place to teach privately held religious beliefs, and educational criteria can be met without using rape or referencing lifestyle books on the ban lists. It’s simply unnecessary content and belongs outside of school.
As much as I love STEM, it’s not the only thing that makes the world work.
100% agree and not my point of contention, or conversation.
Let’s just let the government decide that. They don’t make any bad or immoral decisions, right?
Here in the great state of California, our school libraries have no banned books. Except maybe Atlas Shrugged.
I’m extremely grateful for this state to be so open minded to allow the students to read and form their own opinions - without restriction.
It’s the thought that counts, right?
Never.
Just more nanny state bullshit in the end. “I don’t want to address tough topics with my kids. Let schools do it. And make sure to incorporate anal rape when you’re teaching them sentence structure since they’ll get exposed to it at some point anyway”.