Trump on Rogan

I think that would show them how we really have no choice.

You are intentionally ignoring context. You have snippeted everything I typed that already explains my stance on discussing what existed objectively vs proselytizing subjective ideology. I’m bored by that.

Is that a yes or a no?

I put the word choice in quotes and in italics. You want me to hold your hand too?

Youse left out the part about the yellow people that built your cross country railroad tracks. Racists.

Yeah, but now they’re doing well, so their suffering isn’t important.

I’m just trying to make a preemptive case against having to participate in oppressor reparations.

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You’re hoping I say yes.

I’m watching the Rogan-Trump thing now. Its pretty amazing. I watch things like this a couple of times, similarly to reading. First critically, then comprehensively, then for enjoyment (if its even worth a second or third watch).

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That all may be true, but don’t worry, the Gen X writers at Wonder Showzen managed to cram quite a few negative Asian stereotypes into this short skit.

My favorite bit from the show pokes fun at white people’s shallow notions of what it means to support people who don’t look like us, sound like us or act like us.

Fortunately for whatever generation kids today belong to, comedy is coming back around after a few decades of wandering in the desert. It’s okay to make fun of stuff, especially people who say you can’t make fun of stuff.

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Acknowledgement of a counterargument typically occurs in the fourth paragraph of a standard five paragraph essay taught in basic English classes.

In the public school system in the USA? Is this a joke? What percent of the class would you guess that it takes?

I know I’m definitely hoping for a happy ending in a week.

I hope to celebrate by watching every MSNBC video possible.

It is a standard part of the Rubric on the Regents’ exams in NY and we introduce it in seventh grade.

Also, I think you misunderstand how AP classes work.

The five paragraph essay is a simplification of a five part essay - the fourth part of that model is the acknowledgment of the counterargument, and rebutting it.

But hey, I am only trained in AP Language and AP Literature, and taught HS English for twenty years, so what do I know?

You are talking AP language and literature classes, yet you originally mentioned basic English. Is this five paragraph essay structure taught to all students, what years is it taught, and how is proficiency tested?

I am curious if your average high school graduate is capable of writing an essay explaining what you are saying that they are taught about writing essays.

AP Language is offered in most schools to Juniors, and AP Literature to Seniors. Those students have most likely taken Honors English classes prior to taking AP classes. All students in NY are required to take a Regents Exam in English that contains an Argument Essay. One component of the rubric for the Argument Essay is acknowledging and rebutting a counterargument.

The five part essay (and it’s simplification) are taught to all students - including those in remedial classes.

There are many other moving parts involved - such as Advanced Regents Diplomas, Regents Diplomas, Local Diplomas - but all students in NY are taught to write Argument Essays. In my last district, we introduced counterarguments in seventh grade.

That would depend on the socioeconomics of the district. In my first school, about 75% of our students demonstrated proficiency on the English Regents. In my last school, it was 100%

Many who feel they have the answers to education are unaware of what actually goes on in the classroom, and the boardroom. It’s actually funny to watch the outsiders pontificate on how to save education having no experience in a classroom but feel that as a parent, they know best.

A free exchange of ideas is great, but when people think they have the answer, it becomes laughable.

Happy Ending like a Thai massage, I understand.
But Happy Ending to watching MSNBC? Ew.

I won’t kink shame, though. I hear lib tears make excellent lubricant.

I wouldn’t begin to suggest that I have any solution to the education problems in our country, but my guess is that you are painting a much prettier picture than it actually is. But I have no rebuttal.

There are many low performing schools and districts, and it is far from pretty.

It’s also way more complex than most people realize.

Do you think that the level of effort in understanding / giving credence to alternate viewpoints is sufficient, given the current state of tribalism in the US?

I’m not contesting that the ā€˜counter viewpoint nod’ exists. I don’t recall this in high school, but it absolutely exists in collegiate courses.

I’m contesting the level of effectiveness that this has had.

Remember in political debates when they would say ā€œsay something nice about your opponentā€ and they would actually give a nod towards a policy or position the other side had?
I don’t.

I see this exact same trend along all politics, and almost all people who affiliate themselves with either party.