Trump is good, but not quite Master yet. I think Putin might just be the Master:
When has Putin ever been caught with his pants down, so to speak.
I’d say Putin is Palpatine, pulling the strings behind closed doors.
Trumps more of a Darth Maul type, the apprentice who’s a bit too rash
I’ll give you the definition I like:
“The act of playing a stratagem, moves ahead, in such a multi-layered, brain sparklingly sophisticatedly process, that no one outside of their own mind even has a biscuit of what is going on until days, weeks or even months later, maybe even never, unless informed in great detail or being a spectacular Autist themselves.”
Problem is the longer he takes on his agenda, the more last minute and broken it will all be when he’s forced to implement before reelection time.
And how do you think that applies to Trump?
As it has already been described, there were many factors in what made Trump win. Even though analogies are a terrible way to make an argument, I’ll reference a lifting one for this discussion (and related to what TB said above). Just because a guy is strong does not mean he works out correctly, they might be strong despite their workouts, not because of them.
It applies to him as he is the one doing such stratagem. Of course there were other factors involved but he has successfully played the game.
Just because he won? That is the only defense of your logic that Trump is a “4D Chess” or master strategist?
Pretty weak if you ask me, but you are entitled to think that.
Trump is brilliant at sales. The strategy that he has employed throughout his career has worked well for him. It does not, however, work on the world stage. You, and a few others here, disagree.
So many arguments, so little time:
Argument 1: Trump is a billionaire.
Response 1: Any reporter who has investigated this claim has been sued or otherwise blocked by Trump’s lawyers. Other articles have argued that Trump would be richer today if he had just put his money in a trust fund and spent the rest of life golfing. Still more articles are pointing at how Russian money sources have bailed him out when he was going bankrupt, and how he stiffed 3500 contractors and got away with it because of his lawyers.
Argument 2: He beat 16 GOP candidates in the primaries.
Response 2: Yes, he did, namely two GOP moderate, establishment candidates (Rubio and Bush), Ted Cruz (the least popular senator in the Senate), and 13 others with virtually identical policies. The flood of candidates that divided up the field came after the Supreme Court allowed money to flood into their campaigns keeping too many of them on life support long after they should have quit. Trump beat them by saying all the nasty things that conservative trash talk radio has been drumming into their audience for the last thirty years, winning the race to the bottom of the cesspool. I find this troubling.
Argument 3: He beat Hillary Clinton
Response 3: With the help of a media that kept falling for the same old charges against her that had been disproved again and again. The media spent more time on her emails than all actual policy issues combined. And she did win the popular vote, but GOP control over state houses have allowed them to gerrymander districts and suppress minorities voters.
Argument 4: He’s overhauling Obama care.
Response 4: In ways that break all his campaign promises.
Argument 5: He makes America important in the world “again.”
Response 5: He is making America less important in the world. He has withdrawn America from the TPP and Beijing is making overtures to those countries to join China in a trade pack that cuts us out instead. Europe doesn’t trust him, so their press has been calling Merkel the new leader of the free world for weeks. Mexico has opened trade talks with China as well.
Argument 6: Lowers illegal immigration
Response 6: Illegal immigration started going down during the Bush Recession.
Argument 7: Firing Comey was a smart thing to do.
Response 7: Firing Comey has pissed off everyone and made them even more suspicious than before.
Argument 8: Using how Comey hurt Hillary as a reason to fire him was clever.
Response 8: Except there youtube videos of Trump and Sessions praising Comey for what he did from last year.
Argument 9: His blunders led to future successes.
Response 9: Except his polling dropped 4 points last week, and that was before he fired Comey. Journalists are pointing out that it took Nixon three years to do as much damage to himself as Trump has done in three months.
See my post on the Russia Won’t Go Away thread from just now.
Bullshit.
I’ll give you an example of a great tactical move in politics - Sergey Lavrov was unofficially banned from the White House since 2013.
Then suddenly a few days ago Putin makes a call to the POTUS asking for an urgent Trump-Lavrov meeting in the White House. Gullible (or compromised) administration officials foolishly agree, even pulling out Henry Kissinger from the tomb, thinking that major policy issues will be discussed and even potentially agreed upon.
But there is no discussion of a grand bargain, no dealmaking - Lavrov uses the meeting strictly as a glorious photo-op in the WH which was off limits to him under Obama - lots of laughs an back slapping and some verbal propaganda cheap shots against the US political system.
And to add insult to injury, the Russians tricked Trump into banning US media from the meeting thus humiliating the US further.
So the Russians think this is hilarious and their message to the world is either a) we’re running Trump or b) Trump is a complete imbecile.
And Trump and his team have no idea how they and the office of the POTUS have been humiliated.
Think of it this way - a rich, naive, spoiled kid from a gated community invites to his house a bunch of inner city guys he’s been buying pot from, thinking they’re his “friends”. The inner city guys trash his house, steal his wallet, hit on his girlfriend and take some Instagram pics mocking him. And the rich kid is excitedly smiling all time thinking how cool his “friends” are.
And perhaps compromised with respect to the placement of surreptitious listening devices by the Russian actors accompanying the Russian delegation.
I’m only going to bother to address the post election arguments because the pre election stuff has been discussed to death:
Pre-election
Pre-election
pre-election
With the demographics the way they are, it is impossible to have free market style healthcare. Too many indigents have been imported, the future in America will be single payer regardless of who is elected.
People voted for him to make America less interventionist and put “America First.” Heck even the Dems hate TPP, if you go back and look at the democratic convention the number one sign was withdraw TPP. Honestly who cares what Europe thinks? That continent is in full on implosion mode.
First of all illegal immigration has dropped 60% since Trump took office. Secondly, illegal immigration is only down from Mexicans, this doesn’t include the whole host of illegal immigrants who cross from through Mexico from South America.
We’ll see. To average American (which is who ultimately matters) he at the very least has exposed the Democraps as complete hypocrites.
Why does anyone even trust political polling when the election showed polls are not representative of what’s going on?
Just look at Tom Brady who didn’t visit the Whitehouse for the Pats celebration, probably because his wife wouldn’t let him.
Does that make him beta, or a cuck (or both)?
Wow. I guess this was blatantly obvious, as can be seen in the article below.
On a side note, Russian state media are having a field day with this, even Rossiya 1 channel sarcastically offering CNN exclusive access to the White House.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/10/james-comey-firing-trump-lavrov-putin-215124
Beta.
If Brady is living a beta life, let me be reincarnated as a beta myself.
Wish I could upvote this more than once.
Being Beta is not a bad thing, it’s just not someone you want in a leader.
Also one can change from one to the other over the course one’s life. YOu’ve probably known someone who sowed wild oats when they were younger but is now completely whipped by their wife
Labels from the pickup artist community… high class discourse right here. Why bait Raj?