Trump Fires Comey, Cites Clinton Missteps

Not unreasonable at all.

And I’d be interested to see the sources that support your contention the Dems spent “much more” on these state-level races.

Could be he did that to shove it in the face of the wacky left and the left wing media. Because…there’s nothing to the Trump/Russian collusion nonsense.

No one is as pure as the driven snow. But you are truly deluding yourself if you think he is going to get charged under the RICO act…or be impeached…or resign from office. Sheesh there’s just no solid evidence of Trump conspiring with Russians to win the election or for any other reason… The entire attack is comical.

Not intended to troll him, but in this op-ed, Charlie Sykes (a highly conservative, strongly anti-Trump pundit) seems to have captured @zeb1’s stance perfectly:

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"But the real heart of anti-anti-Trumpism is the delight in the frustration and anger of his opponents. Mr. Trump’s base is unlikely to hold him either to promises or tangible achievements, because conservative politics is now less about ideas or accomplishments than it is about making the right enemies cry out in anguish.

Mr. Trump’s most vocal supporters don’t have to defend his specific actions as long as they make liberal heads explode, or as Sarah Palin put it so memorably, “It’s really funny to me to see the splodey heads keep sploding.” If liberals hate something, the argument goes, then it must be wonderful and worthy of aggressive defense. Each controversy reinforces the divisions and the distrust, and Mr. Trump counts on that.

For many in the conservative movement, this sort of anti-anti-Trumpism is the solution to the painful conundrum posed by the Trump presidency. With a vast majority of conservative voters and listeners solidly behind Mr. Trump, conservative critics of the president find themselves isolated and under siege. But, as Damon Linker noted, anti-anti-Trumpism “allows the right to indulge its hatred of liberals and liberalism while sidestepping the need for a reckoning with the disaster of the Trump administration itself.”

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That articulates exactly what is happening, in a way I have felt but never succinctly put into words. It’s amazing the joy felt by watching your perceived enemy (those “libtards”) suffer, and I think it’s a sad display of human nature.

My hope is this presidency makes it clear that “spite” is not a good reason to support a wholly unqualified leader.

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The sentiment above is better known as trolling. Trump is the king of trolls. He perfected the art of saying outrageous things to get free press and rode that tactic all the way to the white house. Why stop now?

It would make sense that other trolls gravitate toward him. He took their tactics and went pro with them.

On spite and mockery- I liked his campaign because it made heads on both sides explode.

It just amazes me that there are so many people in our government that take their stature and position so seriously, but not their actual performance. Its the ultimate in pomposity, and I think that many of the people like me who voted for Trump are essentially saying “Joke’s on you, you self important dimwits” by putting an unqualified boob into the highest office in the land.

That and it was time for a party change. Dems had the office for two terms and it was time to go. Hillary getting stripped down and shown for what she really is was just icing on the cake.

Trump’s problem is the two party system in the US. If the US had an European-style multi-party parliamentary democracy things would be going great for him - with a third of the electorate he’d be the permanent opposition party. Playing the wrestling heel and frightening the “libertards”.

No chores, no responsibilities, just outrageous statements, non-stop media coverage and the echo chamber of select media outlets to play the victim card and hint at the vast conspiracies thwarting his rise to power to keep his followers constantly angry and agitated.

In other words, the 2016 campaign - a situation he’s desperately trying to recreate with his victory tour, because actually being president is boring.

Unfortunately, US voters were faced with a binary choice and chose Trump. Trump-like politicians abhor binary choices because it means there’s a slim chance they may end up winning. It’s so much easier being anti-everything.

Just look at the most famous Euro-Trump, Nigel Farage of UKIP. After the shock Brexit vote vindicated his political party and it’s raison d’etre he immediately resigned and scurried away into obscurity - grandstanding is great, it’s not so great when the people actually vote for your policies and you have to take political responsibility.

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Nah. There was Cruz- a mortician with a law degree, and Rubio- a smarmy frat boy.

It really wasn’t a great field to choose from.

Decades of Republican politicians being in a constant state of apology will do that. For once the left is playing defense. Notice how their slogan is “resist”? Sounds pretty defensive.

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I see this each and every day; not only in my personal and work Life…but on this site, and in the media:

(From the posted article):

"While there are those like Sean Hannity who are reliable cheerleaders for all things President Trump; much of the conservative news media is now less pro-Trump than it is anti-anti-Trump. The distinction is important, because anti-anti-Trumpism has become the new safe space for the right.

Here is how it works:

Rather than defend President Trump’s specific actions, his conservative champions change the subject to (1) the biased “fake news” media, (2) over-the-top liberals, (3) hypocrites on the left, (4) anyone else victimizing Mr. Trump or his supporters and (5) whataboutism, as in “What about Obama?” “What about Clinton?”

"For the anti-anti-Trump pundit, whatever the allegation against Mr. Trump, whatever his blunders or foibles, the other side is always worse.

Sound familiar?

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Zeb? Is that you?

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This is an analogy of this site.

Okay America - please choose either hamburger or pizza as the favorite cheat food.

Most of the posters here - l choose vegemite topped with olive oil and served on unleaven sprouted bread because …
Then spend 4 years complaining about hamburger being the illegitimate, buffonish Hitler of junk food.

Sound familiar?
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I’d like this 100 times if I could. This guy absolutely nails it.

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Yup. One more quote:

"As the right doubles down on anti-anti-Trumpism, it will find itself goaded into defending and rationalizing ever more outrageous conduct just as long as it annoys CNN and the left.

In many ways anti-anti-Trumpism mirrors Donald Trump himself, because at its core there are no fixed values, no respect for constitutional government or ideas of personal character, only a free-floating nihilism cloaked in insult, mockery and bombast."

As @Mufasa says, Sound familiar?

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Mufasa just included every possible way that Trump could be defended, um not all that brilliant.

It’s like the guy reads PWI, but it’s obviously a much larger issue beyond our tiny corner of the internet.

My follow up question is how much of it is being intentionally dishonest to distract, and how much of it is literally being too dumb to understand “whataboutism” and the other deflections are not actual defenses to Trump’s awfulness? I know it’s a combination of both - I just don’t know which is the primary force driving this idiocy.

Anti-anti-Trumpism has flourished because he’s been a typical Republican president thus far.

Trump voters voted for a break from continuity but so far undelivered.

Anti-anti-Trumpism is the only place conservatives can place themselves. The right is moving toward nationalism, the left continues to hate them, so where else are they going to go?

Some did some didn’t. Some voted for him because he was the best of two choices. Others voted for him because they were aware that he would put a conservative on the Supreme Court. Still others thought that tax breaks instead of tax hikes were a good idea. Still others voted for him because he wanted to keep illegals out of the country (wow enforcing border law pretty radical…at least with the left).

Plenty of reasons to have voted for Trump.

The pea brains who continue to attack him repeatedly regardless of what he does or doesn’t do show their emotion over facts. They want to double down on not voting for him by ranting on the Internet. Some of course want to break windows and steal things. But it call comes from the same place-Hate.

So now you try to dismiss all criticism of Trump as just irrational, emotion-driven “Hate”.

Serious question - in all your years of criticizing and dumping on Obama, to the point you even peddled misinformation in support of that criticism and dumping, was that anti-Obama sentiment emotion-fueled “Hate”, or something else?

Again, completely serious question.