That is debatable. And you are trying to be sneaky with your logic. You NOW, are a human being/person. In the womb you were a zygote, an embryo, a fetus and eventually something we might consider a human being. Legally and biologically you are not the exact same life.
I think biologically that’s incorrect unless you want to assert that you are a different person each subsequent moment of your life, which is more a pure philosophical argument. Or I suppose you could argue that there was some discreet, discontinuous event that interrupted one life and began the next. But again, that’s philosophical.
Legally you’re right of course, we definitely treat them differently.
Oh lawd. He’s still mixing up developmental stages with discreet and novel organisms along the way…Good time to get a few things done. It is the same organism (individual life).
A zygote is exactly the same as an infant? An infant is exactly the same as an adolescent? There are biological differences between the various stages of human development. And it is these differences upon which we base our definition of human being. We use these differences when coming up with laws. For example, we don’t consider a 10 year old murderer the same way we consider a 40 year old murderer.
A zygote is not a person.
Ahhhh, note how you left out the words exact same?
And the abortion argument has nothing to do with human life but rather it is about personhood. You can call a zygote an individual human life (which isn’t the same as calling it a person or human being) but that doesn’t mean anything as far as murder is concerned. If you can establish that a zygote is a human being/person then your position actually has something to stand on.
You are using human as an adjective, not a noun.
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Legally they are completely different and probably will always be to an extent. And yes people would drastically view me killing you now than terminating a pregnancy. At least the vast majority of them. Including the people I quoted.
And when I say unwanted I mean children who are aborted. By definition if you’re terminating a pregnancy for reasons other than health it’s an unwanted child to me.
And contraceptives and education will help decrease those decreasing the number of abortions. Get your friends to hop on board!
Cutting to the chase. Would killing me at either point be the taking of the same life?
No. Again legally and how viewed by the majority of people.
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You have this obsession with using the term human life. It doesn’t matter. No one denies that a zygote is a human life form. The question is whether or not it is a person/human being. You might think that repeating human life will somehow trick other posters into thinking human being but obviously it hasn’t worked yet. It’s the Ben Shapiro argument that only works on 20 year olds who are confused about their sex and worried about future college loan debt.
What he is trying to do is get you to say is yes, it’s the same. Then he will say that that means a zygote/embryo/fetus is a human being so abortion is murder.
I am asking you about the scientific fact that both are the same organism. Science has defined life. Let’s not be squeamish. Yes or no?
Why don’t you answer if both are human beings? That’s right, you have never answered anyone’s questions before so why start now?
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At various points the potential for a human being is there. Something like 20% of pregnancies end in miscarriages.
Legally and how viewed by the majority of the population shooting you now and an abortion are not the same thing. And how the vast majority of the public views them.
That’s an undeniably important point. It means that people and lawmakers have decided that they are completely different things.
Really, H? You’re going to dodge settled science?
Is it an organism? If yes, it is life.
What species? Not disputed.
That isn’t what I asked.
Is it a life?
What species?
Is it a person?
Fertilized eggs can turn into human lives. What we would eventually call a human being.
But legally and as viewed by the majority of people an abortion and shooting you in the head are vastly different actions. I’m not interested in some gotcha biology stuff. You and z have played that game and it bores me.
Why do you think the pro life people and the majority of Americans view an abortion differently than shooting a 40 year old in the face?
That’s what I’ve been discussing for a while and you’re ignoring it to discuss something else. Which is fine man but quit insisting I answer your posts while you ignore mine.
So, you concede to my claim that is the premeditated act of killing a human life? You seem to concede the human life point just then. So, to be clear, yes or no?
If so, and you accept that, nothing more to argue.
I concede that my posts are being ignored. Why are you asking my opinion for something you’ve decided is fact and have zero desire to respond to what I’ve said?
Are you mentally unstable? You want to argue, or rather win an internet argument, about something that no one is arguing about because no one denies it. No one has denied a zygote or fetus is alive. No one has denied that they can be killed (because they are alive). No one has denied that they are human life. You aren’t some genius who figured these things out while we were playing in sandboxes.
The question is, and it’s interesting you bring up cowardice because you avoid answering it, is a zygote a person?