Oh no! You just let him win the internet!!
Why would I address your point about legality…it’s the entire point of the pro-life movement. To change the legality…
I don’t even get why you’re using that as an argument.
But, you do concede, correct? Premeditated killing of a human life?
You really must be 15 years old. You do know that if you show this thread to a girl, she isn’t any more likely to kiss you?
You keep saying they are the same thing and I’m repeatedly pointing out how they are not. Why you continuously ignore it I have no idea.
Legally are they the same? No. Do the majority of people view them the same? No. Do the majority people support exceptions for rape and incest? Yes. Exceptions for the health of the mother? Yes. Do pro life people think providers should be punished? Not the ones I quoted. So based on all that is abortion and shooting you in the head viewed as the same? No.
But you’ve decided it’s the same thing so who gives a shit about any of the things I’ve said.
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I mean, the citizens of this nation used to legally own slaves that that weren’t even defined as a full person.
I don’t even begin to get the legality objection to my argument. I know, hence why I want laws changed…
You actually deny that is a living organism of our species?! Wow.
And ignored again.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. But sure whatever you prefer me to have is where I think we’re at. Have a good one
Oh lord, you have conceded. Sloth might get that kiss after all.
You could actually answer a basic biological question directly.
You don’t care what my responses are and ignored my answer anyway. See ya and have a good weekend
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You too man. It’s a subject I believe strongly about. I get pushy on it, I know. You’re a good guy. I mean that.
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I know you do and I’m sincere when I say I would like the amount of abortions to be 0.
Legal or illegal. I also feel strongly about ways we can get there.
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It’s like falling on a spike. It’s tragic, but no one’s fault.
The willful taking of a human life is different. It’s premeditated, on purpose, deliberate, at the hands of another human who made the decision of life or death.
The science is solid here, I don’t even know how it’s an argument.
It’s not really. The vast majority of Americans agree that abortion is fine for the health of the mother. The vast majority of Americans think abortion is fine in cases of rape and incest. The vast majority of Americans don’t think providers should face punishment. And I shared the staunch pro lifers quotes who say woman who get abortions should receive no punishment.
You’re right it’s not an argument for the majority of Americans…abortion is not the same to them as a bullet to a 40 year olds head. That was what we were talking about. And I’m fine if someone thinks they are the same and I’m fine if someone thinks the punishment should be the same. But that’s a point of view not shared by most Americans.
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It’s even more different when we look at the fact that Americans views differ based on how far along a pregnancy is. The earlier in a pregnancy the more people support the right to choice. I don’t think too many people think it’s fine to shoot a 39 year old in the head but we should restrict shooting 40 year olds.
Well, it’s that most of us pro-lifer’s aren’t interested in ‘crime and punishment’, per se. We’re interested in 2 things mainly. Reduce the number of abortions to near 0. Awaken people to the facts of what abortion is and more importantly, have a universal understanding that that organism is a human being and nothing short of that.
It’s common belief that the recognition that a pre-born child as a human being is something that needs to be legally defined hence the legal wrangling. I.E. if we are saying it’s a human being, we need the law to recognize that.
It took a Civil War for the country to recognize black people as human beings. I hope we can achieve this emancipation by far less violent means.
Do you think exceptions should exist for rape and incest? How about health of the mother. Apologies if you answered this up the thread I forgot when you came in.
That’s the slippery slope. If you de-mark, say a 20 week line in the sand. It’s very easy for someone to say, ‘is there that much difference between 19 weeks and 20?’.
It’s why the pro-choice movement has to support abortion to the point of partial birth, because the slippery-slope gets easily invoked.
The problem is, trying to convince most people that killing a child at 36 weeks gestation isn’t killing a human being is a stretch… It has fingers, toes, and can survive outside the womb.
Are you sure about that? Do you have any evidence to back that statement?
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