Aye. They’re all better off dead. That’s what I think when I see them. The parasites.
What percent of abortions result from such cases? Or, out of concern for health of the mother? For every actual rare rape or health of the mother case there are legions of human lives destroyed in a premeditated killing.
They should print an article every time a human is slaughtered at one of these clinics. But I guess that’s too routine.
Oh, and is this 11 year old poor? Maybe she should never have been allowed to live and reach 11 in the first place.
Rape and health of the mother…
Oh please. If pro-abortionists would only insist on those two exceptions, outlawing all others, abortion would nearly come to an end. If only…
As a pro-lifer I’ll take that deal any day of the week on a national level.
Rape is around 30,000 if I remember right. I’m not sure about health of the mother but I’m sure it’s a significant amount. Add incest in but I’m not sure how many of these would be included in rape numbers already. And we have no idea how many women will turn to unsafe back alley abortions if they can’t get a legal one. Would you rather a woman who is going to abort her baby be able to do it in a safe manner or potentially kill herself along with the baby? Which one seems more pro-life?
I don’t believe I said poor kids should be aborted other than the joke about not being raised in Alabama. I have merely pointed out that many pro-lifers who want every kid born also fight against funding for health care and education for these kids. These policies are being pushed in the very states that already have the worst situations to raise kids.
Yeah I think a compromise could take place. It would help to drastically lower the amount of unwanted pregnancies. We can start with stopping abstinence only education (pushed by the religious). We can stop telling kids the pill and condoms are a sin (pushed by the religious). We can stop saying we don’t want to pay for birth control with our tax dollars (pushed by the religious). Like magic we have just drastically reduced the life of the mother.
True.
Outlaw all other abortions besides rape/incest and the mother’s life conditions and you’ll come close to outlawing all the abortions actually done. The hard cases are a minority. A small one. All ready for that compromise.
And no, I have no interest in making it safer to kill innocent human lives. The argument is alien to me.
Well the things I mentioned would drastically reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies. And we can certainly assume this would decrease the amount of women seeking back alley abortions.
The pro-life position is to support contraceptives and education that we know is effective (IE not abstinence only). If not you’re basically saying the life of a mother who seeks out a back alley abortion isn’t that important to you.
The pro life position is anti abortion.
You support outlawing all other abortions, right?
Well one could save lives by not having the “I think invisible man hates condoms” mindset. If you don’t think keeping women from pursuing back alley abortions if pro life that’s fine. But let’s not act like the mindset that convinces people not to take steps to avoid pregnancy works best.
Even if over 90% of abortions would be outlawed? Follow up to above.
No. I think women should have the right to choose however I’m not strongly tied to that nor care to go deep into it. Minus those exceptions I would prefer if women did not abort. I keep using the phrase unwanted children because minus the health one by my definition anyone seeking an abortion is having an unwanted child. And people who are going to have an unwanted child aren’t good environments to raise kids in.
I think pro-life and pro-choice should come together to drastically reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies. Even if we force people to have kids unwanted children are certainly going to be setup for more failure than people who are trying to conceive. Making a 15 year old have a baby doesn’t change the fact that she is probably ill suited to raise a kid at that age. Doesn’t change the fact that the kid is going to be facing an uphill battle to succeed in most situations.
We know that contraceptive use is going to decrease unwanted pregnancies. We know that abstinence only education is ineffective compared to a comprehensive sexual education. And yet many pro-lifers are against the very things that would decrease the desire for abortions because they believe it’s a sin. How many people raised in these households get abortions behind their parents back? I have no idea but the number isn’t 0. How many people raised in these households aren’t ready or able to support children? I have no idea but the number isn’t 0. Why brainwash them into avoiding the things that can keep these situations from happening.
Pro-lifers should get on board with doing all the things that we know reduce the desire for abortions. The vast majority of people who are pro-choice wants the same thing. I would think working together instead of both sides hating each other would be nice.
Who do you propose gets to assess the risk to the mother’s life? It seems unfair to have anyone but the mother make a call in regards to her health.
A doctor is incapable of following certain parameters to determine if the pregnancy is a medical danger?
One thing is for sure. It doesn’t require a medical degree to determine that abortion is an immediate danger to the health and life of the aborted. 600, 000+ innocent human lives in a year.
No. Deliberately, with premeditation, killing innocent human lives is my concern. Nobody else is responsible for that back alley act because we didn’t throw public funded condoms at someone. Not going down that tangent.
Doctors being wrong has caused death. My mother would be dead if she hadn’t insisted on something being wrong with her, and instead gone home as they recommended her to.
Who sets up the parameters? How do we keep politicians from putting their thumbs on the scale? They have proven themselves to be incapable of not trying to set medical guidelines in relation to abortion in the past.
The doctor should be allowed his/her opinion, but that is it. Medical decisions should ultimately be left to the individual.
What would keep women from shopping for doctors who will agree with them?
Yeah I figured you would continue to ignore the fact that religious dogma helps contribute to a large portion of unwanted pregnancies as it has throughout history.
What if (and I know this sounds crazy) God doesn’t give a shit about whether or not you use condoms and birth control?
If killing innocent human lives is such a concern of yours you would support all the things that we know would decrease that from happening. You don’t though.
Secular dogma is what legalizes the deliberate killing of innocent human lives. Like abortion, which is the subject. Nobody else is responsible for unwanted pregnancies and abortions except the parties involved. No more so than some drug overdose because we didn’t provide the good clean properly dosed stuff (along with a clean syringe).
Condoms are legal. I can’t go to a gas station without seeing them.
Medically necessary are the exception not the rule.
Doctors possibly causing death? And? Abortions cause death everytime.
I don’t believe I argued that they were illegal. We have plenty of people who preach to kids about not using birth control because it’s a sin. So you’re saying condoms are legal while believing it is a sin to use forms of birth control. It shouldn’t be hard to realize that your beliefs lead to numerous unwanted pregnancies.
If we stopped abstinence only education and the religious took the giant stick out of their ass and let kids know that if they are going to have sex using contraceptives is the safest way to do it.
I’m not sure why pro-lifers are so against things that save lives.
Actually, if they’re having premarital sex they already aren’t following my religious beliefs.
And this all assumes I also value the life of an “unwanted” less. I don’t.
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