Condoms only prevent the potential of life. Abortion flat out murders it. Until you’re ready to outlaw that (heck, outside of the previously mentioned exceptions).why are pro-aborts so against life?
I think we can leave it at you refusing to support many things that would reduce the amount of abortions. No need to circle for forever on it.
Education about and use of contraceptives would decrease the number of unwanted children. It’s too bad so many people don’t use/know it because that all loving dude will burn you forever.
Pregnancy comes before abortion. Why not fight the “battle” at the start?
I’m not anti-pregnancy. I’m pro-life. Sorry, the connection you’re making is as forced as my responsibility for the behavior and fate of drug addicts (as pointed out above). It doesn’t hold up.
Not to mention, again, that pre-marital is already outside of my religious beliefs.
You can’t support the outlawing of elective abortions (hundreds of thousands of human lives destroyed a year) because of the supposed perogative of a mortal Dr. and female. Yet, take a swipe at me over the perogative and authority of an all powerful creator-authority to who, in comparison, we are less than the bacteria on the back of a flea’s ass is to us.
It’s not a forced connection in the least bit it’s just fact man. Access and education about safe sex practices reduce unwanted pregnancies. They just do.
I’m not against pregnancy I’m a dad. I’m for reducing unwanted pregnancies which would lower the desire for abortions. Now you’re solving the back alley issue as well to much more of an extent than preaching God doesn’t want teens having sex.
There is no compromise because pro-aborts don’t mind the premeditated killing of innocent humans. It cuts down on “unwanteds.” Otherwise, they would outlaw abortion as a separate issue. Instead, they try an absurd argument shifting responsibility onto people not involved. See, the drug addict analogy.
We can’t work to reduce unwanted pregnancies because some people are pro choice? Damn that sucks because we know some really easy steps to reduce unwanted pregnancies. Really all you need is more education and understanding safe sex.
Too bad we can’t do that stuff.
The topic is abortion. Not unwanted pregnancy. I don’t assume that’s a reason to be aborted. I am/was an unwanted pregnancy. Poor, dead beat dad, and riddled with health issues. Glad to be alive, ty very much. And I resent the idea that I am somehow more acceptable to have been aborted. Are you prepared to join me in outlawing the premidated killing of innocent human lives in abortion? Or, will you hold those hundreds and thousands of lives a year hostage until the government is passing out condoms to our very door steps? If even then.
Let’s be real, as badly as you want to introduce my religious beliefs for debate they aren’t at the clinic because of them. They are, first, in an abortion clinic about to abort. Second, engaged in sexual behavior almost certaintly outside of my religious beliefs. I seriously doubt that, having engaged in premarital sex and now about to abort, they give a crap about what my denomination teaches about condoms.
Like the condom was the big hangup while engaging in vaginal sex for a pro choice female.
Protest and Legal challenges have begun in all of these States passing these restrictive laws.
As the fights continue; We will have to see how they move through the Courts.
It should be interesting.
The responsibility for the 630, 000 lives in 2015 alone are those who support abortion.
Let’s do this! This is how abolitionists and civil rights leaders like MLK must have felt. Exciting and hopeful times!
C’mon man this is ludicrous and you know it. Subtract the health of the mother. Now ALL abortions are unwanted pregnancies. No one aborts a baby they want to have. I’m talking about unwanted, not kids you’d rather not have. I don’t know why you keep bringing up that I wouldn’t care about unwanted kids if they were born. I would/do. Hell I’m the one advocating that we take care of them with education, health care, etc.
I’m not picking directly on your religious beliefs. I’m picking on the beliefs throughout the years (and which continue) which lead people to be ashamed to have safe sex. The beliefs throughout the years (and which continue) which lead to abstinence only education which has been proven to be ineffective. I’m not picking on your denomination but of course it has an effect.
It doesn’t matter what your denomination teaches. It’s not as if plenty of raised religious people don’t catch themselves with an unwanted pregnancy and abort. Some may feel considerable shame and do it hush hush. Not all of them will abort. Some might abort if not given the option in back alley type operations.
Are they at the clinic solely because of these religious beliefs? Of course not. Do those beliefs have a significant impact in the amount of unwanted (and some eventually aborted) pregnancies throughout history? Of course.
You still act as if I accept your view of the “unwanted.”
People who aren’t too ashamed to screw and then abort lost it at the condom…
Oh please. How many times do you think this explanation would really show up on some kind of post abortion survey? “I was down with the screwing and aborting, but those sinful condoms is where I drew the line!” I bet rather seldom. And as a poorly thought out excuse after the fact for getting themselves into such a position.
Which you can denounce right now. We’ll compromise on the health exceptions if it secures the above. The vast majority of abortions.
I’m confused. Minus health who would abort a wanted baby? My little brother was “unwanted” in the sense that my parents didn’t set out to have him. That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m saying that all abortions are done by women who do not want the baby. A very poor environment to raise a kid. And I’m for doing what we can to decrease this scenario from happening. I think that’s the difference in some of what we’re arguing. You seem to be saying “we should make sure all those unwanted kids are born.” I’m saying “Let’s do everything we can to keep that from happening in the first place.”
So we don’t teach kids sex education the right way (because God). Then we don’t teach them how to use contraceptives, or we don’t let them get on birth control (because God). They don’t have condoms (because God) or they won’t use them (because God).
You don’t think plenty of teens raised in this scenario end up pregnant? You don’t think this scenario is worth preventing? You don’t think some of the people raised with this mentality don’t shamefully end up in abortion clinics or try to do it themselves?
You know society can do something about that scenario you just don’t feel you should have to do that. It’d be better to continue to let the scenario play out and then talk about how awful the woman who makes that choice is?
How many kids waiting to be called back to kill their baby at an abortion clinic were opposed to using a condom while having premarital vaginal sex because “God?”
And you keep arguing about unwanted pregnancies as if that status somehow explains a need to keep abortion legal.
So health of mother, rape/incest exceptions, and now sexually active aborting kids who yet worry about the sinfulness of using a condom during their bout of premarital sex? Do you agree to outlaw remaining abortions? Do you also imagine that would still outlaw the vast majority of abortions.
Compromise on the health exceptions? “Yeah let’s make a giant concession. We’ll let moms not die by being pregnant. And we’ll let girls who have been raped not be forced to carry full term. We will not teach kids that condoms and bc pills are safe though. That’s ludicrous!”