Did he just admit Israel was going to attack Iran regardless of what we did?
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I saw some theory floating around that Bibi told Trump unless the US acted first, they would use a nuke, so this was to prevent WW3.
What happened to Andrewgen_Receptors? Usually when the Jews are mentioned he shows up.
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They must have gotten to him.
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Rubio:
āWhy now? Two reasons. It was abundantly clear that if Iran came under attack by anyone the United States, Israel, or anyone they were going to respond, and respond against the United States.ā
āWe knew that there was going to be an Israeli action. We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces, and we knew that if we did not preempt or go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties and perhaps even higher numbers of those killed.ā
This came to my mind when I saw Hegsethās post about a swift operation/victory.
You could also speak about Soviet Afghanistan, Ukraine or 1WW. Most wars are started as a swift victories. But you canāt really know, can you?
And Iām doubtful if just bombing will achieve anything, unless youāll go Hiroshima level devastation, which would be pretty unhuman.
While Iām all for downfall of Khamenei and theocracy, this kind of actions are directly against international order. Which is problematic. At the end who suffers the most are civilians, as usual.
But time will tell if anything good comes out from this, or if this was just a violent fuck up.
Just my own thoughts on the matter- if a large number of a nations population regularly gathers to scream āDeath to America!ā while burning flags an effigies, and those same peoples government funds proxies to attack us, close down international shipping lanes, and fire missiles at our allies like Iran has for the past 40 some years, then they get what ever we give them in return.
International order be damned. The UN is a corrupt, toothless, feckless bunch of elitist assholes full of twats like Kier Sarmer is trying to be.
And thats not even getting into the more discreet global strategies behind the veil. The Russia/China/Iran axis needs to be destroyed, and we need to disassemble their ability to wage war at any scale, and delete their ability to destabilize the US dollar.
Well it is. So you can be happy about that.
International order has largely benefitted small and mid power countries, while hindered the possibilities of big actors. So UN collapsing might be a good news for US, but itās bad news for us.
There is definitely global competition going on. And US strategy seems to be dropping small actors so it can weaken the the other block piece by piece.
Itās clear weāre moving to a new era of power politics. Ukraine, Iran, Venezuela etc. Direct use of violence is increasing as a norm in international relations (with Iraq US still bothered to ask UN). I wonder if China will take Taiwan soon, since the pressure grows.
Destroyed at what cost? This is speculation, but itās easy to compare international politics now to the 1930s: weakening international order, bunch of smaller conflicts preceding the big one, countries rearming themselves and increasing their sphere of influence by force. Who knows, maybe world war 3 is right around the corner? We lack the warmongering lunatics such as Hitler, Mussolini or Hirohito (well Putin is not far), but still thereās awful lot of similarities.
This is what it looks like when a global hegemon has to re-exert itself and set things into working order.
When people say that Joe Biden turned the US into a 3rd world country, they arenāt just talking about the people.
As a global power his negligence set us back while aiding Russia and China in moving forward and expanding.
The guy (and globalists of his ilk) is much more than just a dunce. Heās a traitorous asshole that was sticking to a plan.
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Leaving Jewish ulterior motive and double agency alone, Iran (and Venezuela) were important because of the oil they were supplying Russia and China. Iran was providing something like 17% of Chinas oil, much of the rest comes from Russia.
China will now need to negotiate more oil from Russia, which has numerous effects. It will be expensive considering scarcity (a relative, economic term. Not a lack of existence). It will reduce Russias stores while they work to increase capacity, which is also expensive. Not catastrophic for either but a thorn in the foot in Ukraine and for Chinaās Taiwanese aggression.
Given Saudis and Qatar siding with us and Israel, OPEC is still on our side, if not controlled by us. This weakens the petro dollar initiative @SkyzykS mentioned earlier. Quite the wormhole of its own but in a nutshell an asset backed attempt to move the world off of the US dollar as a standard, which would be catastrophic for us in the fiat system we are running - another large topic of its own.
Anyways, the effort is much broader than Iran and plays in to world politics more broadly. However, Iran has also repeatedly threatened to assassinate our President, and possibly did make attempts. Regardless of where you fall politically, we canāt have a foreign country attempting to kill our leaders, so thereās that too.
This is not Vietnam or Ukraine or whatever. Using Ukraine, a better parallel would be that day one, in 30 minutes, Russia killed Zelensky and all of his top officials while also knocking out critical military components.
We will all wait and see how this ends, but most likely weāve been in the region for a while developing an insurgency to ultimately fill the vacuum created, and Trump is essentially saying the quiet part out loud when he tells Persians to take their country back.
There will be infighting of course, because genocide is illegal and Muslim fanatics are still around. Maybe we leave a presence, but if so it will likely be supportive in nature of the propped up new group until they find their feet.
This is definitely not a years long peasant on peasant conflict until someone says uncle.
I would also speculate China and Russia are bluffing support. Russia was the big bad wolf two years ago and Ukraine has been fighting them hard. China has absolutely been watching, and they likely share similar technology and capability.
Continuing the Ukraine bit, we have toppled two versions of our own Ukraine in an hour or lessā¦. in two months. And taken foreign owned and controlled tankers right out of international waters while their intended owners watched. Meanwhile, Russia is still struggling to beat tiny ass Ukraine.
This whole thing has been a strategic fuck you.
But, on a playing field designed to manage a wage slave financial system set up by a certain group to begin with, so thereās that.
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I 100% agree. The problem is that Trump has 3 years to unwind the agenda in a way he kills it.
Otherwise, if breaking free from the globalist camp weāve been ruled under since the advent of the UN is the goal, we have to root for Russia and China.
The unfounded conspiratorial part is control via banking through a central bank cartel. Or however you say cartel in Yiddish.
Itās because Russia is not a superpower. It only wants to be. Itās US vs China all the way. If you look economy or military might the list goes:
- USA
- China
- EU
Russia is somewhere below Germany, UK or France. It has plenty of nukes and soldiers, but itās not strong otherwise.
I agree. I donāt necessarily see this development as positively as you, since I value more peace, prosperity and co-operation. But US dominating is still better option than China, for the most part.
But war is a difficult beast to control. Hope things donāt escalate way oit of hand.
Sure. But I donāt think China is as powerful as they posture. Russia is recognized as a super power. To use an old T-Nation reference, you could say holding a shoe has not been going well for them. And China is aware.
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Imperial Russia definitely was, and Soviet Union. Putins main goal is take back the superpower position, at least locally. It has not been exactly a success so far.
Itās up to debate. Iāve read a bit about China recently, and itās really hard to say exactly how powerful they are. China is clearly aiming high and looking towards future. Itās not only a bad thing, but it will definitely make them towards a crash course with USA.
IMO Chinaās play is much more intricate than force.
They are the worlds manufacturing arm, and top line trade aside this means they see everything from patent level product spec details to distribution channels and volume. They have a huge advantage in positioning on the board everyone is trying to control with military boundary.
While I doubt theyād be a cake walk in a conflict, I think our bigger concern with China is just how much intelligence they have, how theyāre prepared to use it unconventionally and what chess board weāve potentially been missing altogether.
For example the petro dollar. Rip the world economy right out from under us. Or new energy development.
Definitely. Chinaās strategy is not very militaristic overall. Just look how many countries they have invaded for the past 60 years.
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China has had a lot of success with subversive tactics that weaken us by operating within our own free market system. Lots of ideological subversion as well. I canāt say that people like Governor Tim Walz are definitely CCP assets, but he may very well be. He spent an awful lot of time in communist China and brings a distinctly Maoist school of progressivism with his rhetoric and policies. The Soviets and Cubans have also been training Americans on revolutionary tactics for a long time. Marxist thought and direct outgrowths from Marxism have successfully taken over much of academia here in the USA, basically repackaging the Chinese cultural revolution for a modern American audience.
Thatās obviously not the same thing as trying to invade across the Pacific ocean, but why do that when it is so easy to purchase influence (and property) in the USA and other western countries? Tik Tok has successfully brainwashed millions of people into socialist revolutionary thought, yielding a lot of success for the CCP.
Yuri Bezmenovās old interviews from the 1980ās explain the process in great depth and it is remarkable how much of what he describes has come to fruition. The cold war never really ended even after the iron curtain came down. The clash of ideas has only escalated since then, which is one of the reasons why our largest city of New York has an openly communist mayor now.
No, I donāt see that as being likely at all. The situations are way different, especially in terms of naval power in the region. China wouldnāt be able to run wild conquering the Pacific islands while we get our act together and their energy requirements are orders of magnitude greater than Japanās at the time.
Weāre also targeting the top with an unprecedented level of precision. This is the first time in recent history where your risk of death increases dramatically with military rank.
Can China do to Taiwan what we just did to Iran and Venezuela? I doubt it, but there is probably a better chance that we can decapitate their military organization in a similar way.
Definitely. I recall China stating that ending US hegemony is one of their goal.
Besides influencing in various ways, China is weakening dollar, building their own and independent economy/trade routes and controlling most of Asia and Africa. Which means that more and more resources from these areas are benefiting China, not the west, in the future.
All that aside, unless I misunderstood what you were saying in the previous post, do you oppose a Jewish state as you do another religious state? Paraphrasing, but you said something along the lines of āno country controlled by a religion should have a consequential military.ā I understand the nuance of a jewish state. But their tribal identity is at its core tied to their religion.
For the record I disagree, but the blanket statement of no religious governments should be allowed, struck me as odd.
There lies the difference. IMO, as long as Israelās aggression is limited to what we know see as the borders of modern Israel, they should have the military might to keep their land.
I donāt believe that Israel is fighting to convert Iran to Judaism or kill them. They just want to cripple the machine that supports others attack Israel or itself inflicts damage to Israel.