Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 2)

@SepCalla could have converted for you.

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Nordic countries price it out in fermented fish per gaupn, which is the amount you can hold in your hands when cupped together.

One fermented herring gets you two gaupn of gasoline. He just did the math for you already to put it into dollars.

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Hung Cao is now acting Secretary of the Navy, and he fuckin hates communists.

Purging the military of woke ideology is another HUGE win for the Trump administration.

ā€œLincoln chose to regard the seven Southern state’s peaceful acts of secession as violent acts of insurrection and prepared the nation for a war to quell what he claimed was their rebellion. His calling for troops to invade the departed states, rather than unifying the country for such an effort, caused four additional Southern states to leave the Union and join the Confederacy.ā€

From a historical perspective I take issue with this. Lincoln called for troops the day after fort sumter.The southern states were already getting dirty seizing federal property in the lead up. I wouldn’t really classify it as peaceful.

This is a really fun series Atun Shei did on YouTube. ā€œCheckmate Lincolnites!ā€

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I thought some of the other stuff sounded a little fishy in those articles, but I haven’t spent much time on Civil War history for the last two decades. It’s been mostly Communism and National Socialism books for the last five years aside from one book about the Pacific Theater.

Well, it’s kind of hard to declare yourself an independent country while allowing another country to own and occupy parts of yours. Troops remained in Fort Moultrie and moved on to Fort Sumter for a reason. Adult level ā€œI’m not touching you.ā€

I’ve seen those videos when you’ve posted them before and remembered the guy being pretty unwatchable…I tried again with the same result. He exudes ā€œI feel like a rebel for doing this…even though my opinion is the only allowable one.ā€ Much like criticizing Nazis and opposing the consumption of human flesh.

Regardless, Acton recognized that something was lost…and I believe that something is what a small percentage of voters are still looking for today(the majority either want Drag Queen Storytime For Toddlers, or to retain 50.1% of their earnings instead of 49.9%).

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Perfectly stated.

I think thats a fair assessment, especially of his earlier stuff. He’s even admitted he’s grown up and toned it down a bit.

That correspondence is really cool.

I’ve never done a deep dive into the debates at the time, but I believe secession was completely legal at the time. The 14th makes it less so now.

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He gonna take their weed! :rofl:

Everybody thinks the dems are the party of weed. They aren’t. They’re the party of letting you know they have their hand on the lever.

Hate to break it to you, but this was started under the Biden administration and slow-walked by Republicans until now.

Its ok. He did a lot for decriminalization in his first term too.

So if it started in Bidens term, it wasn’t slow walked then?

:man_shrugging:t2:.

Biden was a slow walker in a lot of ways - Merrick Garland, student loans, energy.

And actually walking.

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He was. Dude even fell down slowly.

I can’t wait till I’m old enough to defy gravity. When I hit the deck now its like dropping a wet roll of toilet paper. SPLAT!

Anyhoo, this reminds me of back when me & Mufasa used to skid-bitch through presidential terms until the point was lost.

We finally decided that if it happend during X term, good or bad, its on him.

That was during Trumps first term. Maybe right toward the end of Obama.

Wither way, havent seen @Mufasa in quite some time. Hope all is well in his world.

I think one of the best things about this forum is that it can just spiral. Friends become enemies, enemies become friends, the absurdity wins.

Skid-bitch is a good term.

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It originated with my wifes family, that I’m aware of. Its jumping from one complaint to the next in a rant, but I’ve adapted it for use in written media.

It might be an Alabama thing. Southerners have their own linguistic styles too.

There’s a long list of strongly anti-Trump folks who were super active in PWI during Trump’s first term and even into Biden’s who just seem to have gone away.

Few had any history of training posting. Maybe they were alt accounts but I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the USAID money Trump cut off was paying people to post.

There can certainly be other explanations, like getting sick of me, but it really seemed like a big drop off. T-nation seems like an unlikely target for something like that, but we just learned that the SPLC is likely funding hate groups to expand the definition of hate and collect more money to combat the new concepts of hate. Who knows?

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Life happens. Like ā€œohhh! Trump sucks!ā€ Then Biden happens.
I’d freakin quit too.

I know of one guy, friend of a friend- who died. I didn’t start a thread to try to identify his user name or anything, but he even had the shirts. And the obligatory old school stack of Biotest supps on the counter pic!

I know there have been s few campaigns that did land a few posters here though. The Putin/Ukraine shills were obvious.

HFactor was pretty cool. We agreed more often than not on specifics even if we didn’t on an overarching theme.

Legality doesn’t really matter, at the end of the day. If secession was legal then, the 14th Amendment can’t really make it any different now(since the 14th was accepted under duress)…like Lee wrote, this topic is ā€œUnprofitable because the judgment of reason has been displaced by the arbitrament of war, waged for the purpose as avowed of maintaining the union of the states.ā€

The idea that a voluntary union of States can exist is part of what was lost…the reason Acton said, ā€œI saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy.ā€

It’s nice to have someone that can discuss this without resorting to:

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Its like a gang but its, "Freely welcomed in, blood out."After the Civil War we became The united states not These united states.

I guess we could pass an amendment, im assuming through a convention of the states that could clarify a process for leaving the union. But im not sure that genie is going back in the bottle at this point.

You can look at the Civil War and the decades leading up to it from a variety of viewpoints, but it was something that was going to happen sooner or later in some shape or form.

Let’s say The North let The South be to run their own affairs and have their own nation. The South would have continued its backwards ways, with slavery retarding innovation and economic development while Democrats continued to entrench their power. The South was never going to be in a better position to fight the North than it was in 1861, and a casus belli would have eventually sprung up. If war happened after the next 20 years of industrial development and advancement in firearms (breach-loading and repeaters, specifically), along with advancements in naval propulsion technology and artillery (again, breach-loading and explosive shells), The South would have lost even worse.

It seems like every few generations, some Republican ā€œauthoritarianismā€ is needed to stop whatever the latest exploitative scam gets dreamed up by The Democratic Party (and aided by corrupt Republicans). In this case, the massive wealth extraction scam that is publicly-funded NGO’s, the vast number of sinecures available inside the government bureaucracy, politician-enabled medical billing fraud, and paying for much of it on the intergenerational credit card is FAR more lucrative than slavery ever was, with FAR more beneficiaries.

It’s no coincidence Trump is the most hated President since Lincoln.

Note the 7th definition of ā€œUnionā€ in the 1828 Noah Webster’s Dictionary:

7. States united. Thus the United States of America are sometimes call the union

The States were not united on economic freedom at the time of Lee’s statement.

Should the South have seceded over this dispute? I would say not. But according to the definition of Union at that time, it seems similar to a broken contract.

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