Why not? Birthright citizenship is purely an interpretation(and I use that term loosely).
Every right is, essentially.
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
That’s pretty cut and dried.
It was not meant to apply to illegal immigrants
-Children of foreign diplomats: They are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction because they have diplomatic immunity.
-Children of enemy occupiers: During wartime, individuals from an occupying force are not under U.S. jurisdiction.
-Native Americans in sovereign tribes: At the time, Native Americans were considered members of separate nations.
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At the time, the laws surrounding immigration were different than they are now.
So if illegal immigrants are not subject to jurisdiction, dosen’t that also mean they can’t be arrested or tried under American laws?
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Why did you say this and then give examples that had nothing to do with it?
The anchor baby thing should end. In fact, when my one brothers Chilean wife tried that, INS sent them both back.
That was about 27 years ago. It was Much harder to become a naturalized citizen then. Like, you needed a really good reason.
The way that birthright citizenship has been abused and misapplied is what is wrong with it. As a principal it should exist, but in practice people peopled it up.
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It does not mean that at all.
The basic idea is similar to how you or I cannot show up to a city in Japan, erect a tarp shelter in one of their parks and shoot some drugs into your foot without being hassled like you can where I live in Lewiston, Maine. Those bigots are intolerant of such things in their backwards lands of far-right, fascist thinking.
The people of Japan are seemingly in desperate need of Maine Democrats to explain progressive government to them, if Maine is to be considered a measure of success in Democrat policy enactment. I would say that Maine must be, as they seem to continue winning locally and have been at most levels for at least seven or eight years now.
Meanwhile, Maine Democrats will call you are a racist if you question the citizenship status of LONG lines of people needing translators and transportation to participate in local elections.
All of the gaslighting and media narratives made possible by a lack of internet and subsequent information control seem to be crumbling in front of us in real time, and I mean that in an Alex Jones voice.
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You say it’s “cut and dried,” but the examples I gave show that the 14th Amendment doesn’t grant citizenship to everyone born in the U.S.
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We agree, there.
Simply by being born here, entirely by chance and through no virtue or choice of their own. Same can be said all the way back to whichever of your ancestors also happened to just show up here. No one really “earned” it for anyone.
I get what you’re saying here, but you and I are both lifelong Americans and I know we don’t hold all the same values. In fact, we both probably have things in common with certain immigrant groups that we don’t have in common with each other.
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lol you don’t want to know my opinions on this.
My wife didn’t illegally enter a country to abuse a 120 year old precedent for personal gain.
I don’t say it to sound “cool”. I said it because these people are using babies as anchors to achieve their own outcome.
Doesn’t sound like the best parenting tactic, but I hope the best for the kids regardless. Just not at my expense.
There is no way to answer it.
“how much does freedom cost?”
Its an impossible question with an undefined scope. So no, I’m not answering that “lol”.
IDK, my father was enlisted, as was his father before him, and his father before him.
They all paid taxes for most, if not the entirety of their life. Same goes for my mom and her predecessors.
It sure does seem like they paid for something, no?
People who go through the legal immigration process spend 10-20k and up to a decade waiting to do the process the correct and legal way. They certainly earn their citizenship and rights.
But having a couple of people bang and walk across a border to use a baby as an anchor to better their situation?
Doesn’t exactly sound like they paid into the system they are benefiting from.
This is fair. I was surprised that the hispanic vote leaned left for so long for this exact reason.
A hard working people who are very religious and family-oriented?
If I were to stereotype a voting demographic, it would not be those on the left side of the aisle.
Birthright citizenship makes sense here.
Hmm…
If birthright citizenship was the intent, I think it would be worded more like:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States are subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
No.
“Senators considered the citizenship of U.S.-born children of aliens. Senator Cowan objected (in overtly racial terms) that the proposal would make citizens of U.S.-born children of Chinese immigrants on the West Coast. California Senator Conness (himself an Irish immigrant) agreed it would have this effect, but enthusiastically endorsed it. No Senator disagreed with the Cowan/Conness interpretation, including Howard (who wrote the clause) and Senator Trumbull (who originally introduced the proposed Amendment). Indeed, in an earlier exchange with Cowan, Trumbull said that U.S.-born children of Chinese immigrants (like all U.S.-born children of immigrants) should be considered citizens. And the Senate then adopted Howard’s language without further revision.”
The Supreme Court will end up deciding if this will hold up
And plenty of Americans are descended from draft dodgers.
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I don’t like the idea of taking away rights because, as you mention, people people things up, so what right will be next? Abusing a right doesn’t seem like a good reason to limit that right. Reduce the number of illegals who enter. If an illegal gives birth here, too bad, she’s going back. The kid can stay and be put up for adoption. Or, she can take him with her and he’s welcome to return when he turns 18 but just like the rest of us, he’ll need to find a job.
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Correct, just those subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. Like children of illegal immigrants born in the U.S. I don’t like the law, but I like the idea of changing the Constitution with executive orders MUCH less.