How would you suggest we implement due process for some 20 million illegal immigrants?
Should non-citizens be granted the same rights that we provide for our citizens?
I think there is no way to accomplish this task without breaking a lot of eggs and being YUGE assholes in the process. But the real assholes are the people that let this happen in the first place.
What are the odds this happens to someone following the law?? Near zero…
You should have seen the task force bust for drugs I got snagged in, in 1988.
A shitload of undercover narcotics guys just popped out of vehicles with guns and started ragdolling everybody and busting heads!
And we were mostly high school students!
Should’ve whipped out the Royal Toe and went to town on those FasCiStS
How do you know youre dealing with an illegal without it?
Kinda depends on the “right”, some of them are guaranteed to all persons in the US via the constitution. I probably have a different view on Rights than lots of people though, far outside the scope of this thread, but given the topic I’d say whatever the constitution says applies to the US as far as “rights” go
Yeah I think the issue lots of people have is that in the effort to make america great again, what standards are we willing to drop and side step. And at what point in doing that does America cease to be the thing it was?
I dont go for the Trump Is Literally Hitler, but how many military occupied cities, citizenship checkpoints, and “detention and deportation centers” full of people who didnt get due process do we have to have pop up before America isnt America any more?
Guarantee they would have beaten the living shit out of me. 
Toe or no, those dudes were psyched up and ready to throw down.
When you put the rights of illegals before the rights of lawful citizens, we’re well on our way.
How many lawful citizens need to be killed, raped, beaten and robbed before America is not America anymore?
How many law enforcement have to be bricked, doxxed, or otherwise attacked?
That didn’t used to happen in the country I know. When it did, it was a one off incident- not a daily, multi city coordinated strategy to harass and prevent them from doing their jobs.
If you could answer those with real numbers, that would be great.
I don’t think you or I are going to arrive at an objective number for either of our philosophical questions
We do both agree that no one here, legally or illegally, should be raping or murdering anyone… or committijg crime generally. And should they be here illegally doing that stuff, off to the Venezuelan gulag they go
I think these shows the problem we’ve had here. We toss terms and see them completely differently. I think asshole as a person who is unecessarily rude, selfish and do shitty things to people.
I don’t think these are traits men should have. You can be firm, straight and strong willed without being asshole.
I neither disagree on the fact that you can respect someone so you are more willing to do things for him/her. I also thing you need to earn the respect from others.
I would not say my wife is submissive, but she’s not raging feminist either. We both help each other and take responsibility, and respect each other. I would not marry anyone who does not respect me or vice versa.
I reacted quite strongly first to the claim that women should not vote. It’s because such things are not even debated here. Women have had all citizen rights in Finland over 100 years and nobody sees an issue in that.
I still think there’s logical fallacy there. Even if we would agree that women are more emotional and that’s a weakness, we’ll have slippery slope: what about emotional men? Or dumb men? Or ignorant and uneducated men? Could they vote?
Andrewgen actually mentioned that he thinks most people should not vote. The problem is then that who can vote. How do we decide it? Or is the China -style one party oligarchy something we want?
I’m not against nuclear family. I think that’s something most people still want. I personally live in one. And if someone wants traditional model where man works and woman is at home and they’re both happy, great (I know this happens in US, but it’s really not a thing here).
I’m just wondering how realistic it is for most people that the other does not work/earn money?
At the end, I just think the reality is much, much more complex than ”women are x and want y” etc..
Well then. There lies the purpose of the aforementioned deportation camps, national guard details, etc.
Back to the topic.
Trump meets with Putin. Predictions below.
People picking strawberries and building houses and doing gardening and making hotel beds here for the last ten years aren’t murdering and raping people, even Trump agrees they should be allowed to stay
Catcallers are being arrested in the U.K. by undercover female joggers
Show me your license?
Really not that complicated.
If wages doubled to account for the halving of the worker supply - itd be pretty realistic.
Boomers would have to actually allow wealth to matriculate down to their kids, though. And they’ll literally choose to die before they do that.
I think you’re on to something here. Wealth is not moving forward.
Even here, where we don’t have to pay for daycare, healthcare etc. it’s still very hard for middle class people to maintain a family without both getting money regularly.
I remember reading that the working poverty has been on a steady rise in US for at least 10 years or so.
Novelties are cheap, but necessities are more expensive than ever.
Houses were 3x average annual income in the 60s.
Theyre now 8-10x in non expensive areas.
Boomers could afford a house and have a SAHM with 3 kids working at a muffler shop with a GED education.
Most of us are mandatory 2 income households while still living with parents.
I’m an outlier, but I’m sympathetic to my millennial counterparts. Most are cooked.
Someone is paying for it
If 50 squatters took over your home…..are you gonna be nice about it or an asshole???
We are, with taxes. But it’s a fair trade for the majority of the population.
It’s not perfect, like nothing is. But this is a very broad topic to discuss.