Maybe Elon getting all political has had this side in to it too.
If I understood you mean functioning multi-party system, I fully agree. I think that’s what US needs. Something that’s not reb. nor dem. Maybe some middle ground party?
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Part of the problem with the whole idea of “middle ground” is that it doesn’t exist on the core issues being pushed by American Democrats.
What’s the middle ground on transgenderism in public policy? It is either true that Laurel Hubbard is a woman, or not. Maine treats it as true in public policy, including public school policy, and that’s why it is my human right to go pay the $9 at Planet Fitness and get naked in front of women and girls in the locker room.
There’s no flashing alarm for that, but there is if you do deadlifts. 2025 is wild.
There’s no middle ground with non-citizen voting, either. US citizenship is either a real concept that forms the basis for voting rights, or we are all just citizens of the world, like Maine Democrats and communist idealists believe. Open borders, yay!
Any “new” party would have to ditch those two ideas to be remotely viable, then find a way to distinguish itself from the Republican Party. That’s sort of what MAGA is doing at the moment, in that I don’t think tribalism, party loyalty or even Trump loyalty is the driving force behind the movement. Most regular Americans just want the lying, the corruption, and the fiscal insanity to stop without sending their kids off to war. I’d also like some functioning public institutions again here in Lewiston. I remember those, they were nice to have.
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This.
Unfortunately, thats an extreme radical position now too.
Politicians always want the first and biggest scoop of the taters. The rest of us can go eat the fucking skins.
I guess there are some shades of grey in the practical decisions.
True.
I guess everybody wants these. Will Trump deliver those things? I dunno.
There’s several other questions which separates the two parties, and they’re getting farther away from each others. I remember dems. and rebs. being together after 9/11. That kind of unison is gone.
According to you guys democrats are basically anarchistic communists who want to tear the US down.
When I speak with US liberals, they’re descriping Trump and rebs next to Satan and a repesentatives of authoritarianism.
I guess both of these views can include some truths, but I guess neither of them are fully true (if you get what I mean).
I understand things can get heated. And there might be people whose political views are just insane, but how many of the democratic politicians support mixed locker rooms in gyms?
This alone would make a huge difference in the polarization of the parties.
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Ps. You guys clearly have deep distrust to the system. And you might be right, maybe US is more fucked up it seems from here. In that case I’m sorry, since I don’t believe Trump will fix the system.
If you support the politics he’s doing, great. I have no problem with that. But He’s part of the elite like the rest.
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It wasn’t unison in any political party policy platform sense. Everyone was shocked and upset at the same time, and we still all got our news from legacy media, which still had high levels of trust. Those days are gone.
This may sound crazy, but we could very well be headed towards an American version of National Socialism. Nearly everyone dislikes “international finance”, aka most billionaires. That a disproportionate number of people in that category are Jewish provides the same fuel for the antisemitism fire that it did 100 years ago. Throw in the same thing with media elite, academia elite, and so on, plus an uncensored internet with free speech, and there’s not much stopping the idea from taking off and running again.
Democrats already embrace race-based socialist public policy, which is another position that there isn’t much middle ground on. Republicans generally embrace nationalism, although not the same form that Hitler did, i.e. a Volksgemeinschaft of ethnic Germans. Republicans are nationalistic in the sense of geographic borders and ideas about government, generally not in favor of race-based public policy.
Plenty of people would be perfectly happy with some Nazi-style book burnings of transgender materials, too. Kanye West just made a song called “Heil Hitler”. American libs are ready to burn Israel to the ground. Republicans believe the whole system is corrupt and needs major reform, i.e. drain the swamp.
Does this all eventually result in America declaring war on our neighbors and setting up concentration camps? I don’t think so, but it is certainly possible, especially as our problems continue to mount and continue to make life difficult for normal people.
It has not had that effect at all here in Maine.
One man won’t, but MAGA might. Free speech, real free speech like we have here, and an open internet have broken the state’s propaganda monopoly it has held for a really, really long time. That was a lot of the “glue” that held us together, since information was so hard to get compared to today.
Hell yeah I have distrust in the system! Every Lewiston representative just voted against Voter ID in Augusta on the absurd basis that it will disenfranchise more eligible voters than a lack of voter ID already does. All while we stand in line with people who need translators or multi-language voting guides to participate in our self-government, which requires US citizenship by Maine state law.
It doesn’t matter what percent of Democrats say they don’t support mixed locker rooms in gyms. As a party they vote lock step for laws that facilitate mixed locker rooms, and never for laws that prohibit it.
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That has certainly been the case in Maine since 2018 or so. Maine Dems typically vote in unison, even at the city level. That’s how they implemented so many radical policies in such a short amount of time. I can think of no notable instances of Maine Democrats who dissent from the party, unless you count token words of concern from the governor when she enacts their policies.
There will never be a release of the list unless there is an Eric Snowden/Chelsea Manning incident. The people on the list are more valuable in society than they could ever be in prison to the person/group in possession of the list.
I’d swear some of you guys still believe in the tooth fairy.
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Democrats play politics as a team sport.
Republicans are very poor “team” players in politics.
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It is obvious that powerful forces in the government are stopping the release of that information. I still believe Trump wants it released, and I’m still leaning towards this whole “feud” being Kayfabe.
I hope I’m right, but I could be wrong.
Let adults do/believe what they want. Keep them out of real women’s spaces and leave the children alone. Obviously more Republicans believe in this than Democrats but, polling shows that the majority are against it.
The majority of Dems are against non-citizen voting. I think your shitty area has blinded you.
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Right, which means reversing every transgender policy enacted into law. It isn’t a category of person that needs distinction in public policy. Men in dresses and makeup and women with buzzcuts have been tolerated for a really long time.
Sodomy laws were probably the closest thing on the books, and we’ve had gay marriage for quite a while, neither of which really have anything to do with transgenderism.
Nobody was stopping hair metal bands from being as transgender as they wanted to be in the 1980’s. Similarly, Ru Paul was not breaking any laws in the 1990’s, nor was Dennis Rodman. Transgenders have always been free to live their lives in peace here.
Not really. The issue polls very well across all groups in Maine, yet Maine Democrats are rabidly opposed to it. The actual politicians, I mean, who in theory are there to represent the will of their constituents.
I couldn’t find the poll, but I think it was around 60-70 percent of everyone polled in favor of Maine voter ID.
So, the Democrat politicians are the issue. I was responding to you stating that:
Would the solution than not be a 3rd party where politicians who actually represent the will of their constituents are elected?
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The conditions are certainly ripe for a third party, but what policies do you think it would distinguish itself from the Republicans and Democrats on?
At least the craziness is good for comedy.
Personally, I would like anti-corruption policies as a start.
I would like representation, of all the crazy things. I would like bills to pass or not pass that represent the will of the people voting.
I would like a move away from hot-button issues that polarize people and toward the many, many things we mostly agree upon.
But none of that matters, really. If there are four candidates and
#1 is for transgender ed in school, elimination of guns, increased immigration, and healthcare for all.
#2 is for modest restrictions on gun ownership (hx of violence, say), healthcare for all, a return to a focus on academics in school, and a reduction in tax loopholes for the wealthy/corporations.
#3 is for unfettered access to guns, limited access to food and medical assistance for the poor, academics focus in school, and continued imbalances in taxation relative to wealth.
#4 is for unfettered gun access, healthcare for all, reduction in tax imbalances, and academic focus in schools.
We have choice. Same policies, but we begin to have genuine representation. Because the polarization - the forcing of people toward the edges of poles - can stop.
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This is kinda how we got it here. Our Multiparty system has it’s flaws, surely, but I take this over 2 party any time.
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The success of any system requires two things we generally lack in the USA, honesty and clarity in policy position, and informed voters.
Maine Democrats, for instance, have been deeply dishonest about their actual policy goals since 2018 at least. Transgenderism in particular was lied about the entire way. That’s how we went from “that’s not happening, you hateful bigot” to "it’s a good thing that its happening and you’re a hateful bigot if you don’t believe in our state religion ".
The dishonesty around voter ID is particularly appalling to me, since no Democrat will come out and say that they don’t support the idea of US Citizenship as the basis for voting rights. It is a foundational aspect of American governance, but socialists view it as an oppressive, patriarchal, colonialist power structure that must be torn down or subverted, like they have in Maine. They know that people won’t like that idea, so they lie about it and give themselves moral permission to do so by believing they are smarter or better-informed than anyone who opposes their lofty idea.
This ties into some of my past rants in this thread surrounding the application of Marx’s Dialectical Materialism, whereby Marxist academics can reason themselves into any political position with enough vague language and distorted history, then have their flawed thought process approved of by other social science academics.
DEI is firmly a Marxist idea, which is why the actual policies of DEI are never made clear. It’s just vague, lofty language wrapped up in rainbows and the promise of a more just, peaceful, and verdant world with no explanation of how electing them could possibly lead to that outcome.
In practice, DEI has meant that donations to mass shooting victims can be funneled to unrelated prisoner and immigrant nonprofits, since they represent “marginalized” groups who are victims of oppression, so giving the Maine Prisoners Advocacy Coalition $66,000 will somehow bring about “equity”.
Similarly, it is how my barber’s daughter was removed from her school bus for being the victim of an unprovoked 3 on 1 beatdown. Her attackers were “marginalized” POC’s, and the concept of “restorative justice” meant that removing THEM from the bus would be a crime against equity. In the words of the superintendent, “It is their right to ride the bus.”
Obviously, if 3 white students ganged up on a black student and the black student was removed from the bus, it would be a nationwide scandal.
She has since pulled her daughter from LPS after her daughter was assaulted in the hallway a few weeks ago.
Overall academic performance is not in line with Democrat rhetoric, either. We’ve experienced dramatically worsening outcomes under their radical policies, but they still claim to be the party of academic support because they want to tax and spend even more money on their failed ideas.
I keep stressing the importance of free speech and a free and open internet because that’s our only way out of this. It is the only way that corrupt crooks and lying ideologues can be exposed to the masses.
They just want to be equal. Like, we’re all equal. They want to be more equal.
I swear, if you had two mountains and put one person on each, eventually they would figure out why each is better than the other, and why his problems are the other guys fault.