Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1)

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2991

No one is “leaping to conclusions”, we are listening to the words coming out of his mouth and watching the proceedings happening right in front of us and making conclusions based on that information … and in a certain way this reads to me like a tacit admission you dont particularly like what hes doing, but have no choice but to accept and try to spin it as a positive

It also fits into the broader picture of things like trump trusting Putin publicly over his own intel back in Helsinki, trying to bribe Zelenksi to say he was investigating Biden but him not doing so, and his generally abrasive behavior towards our allies in the west.

This is not an isolated incident

2992

When I look at the European rhetorics, the US is less and less seen as a defender of democracy and western values. So these things do matter.

2993

Nah it’s all good. Trump threads are always a shit show and a Finn perspective adds to it.

Whatever is in store for everyone, you can count on most major media outlets being completely wrong in all of their predictions.

It’s never what anyone predicts, and it usually takes decades to really understand.

It wasn’t until the late 1990s that academic literature caught up with Socialist propaganda. My aunt and uncle are both retired M.D.s in their seventies who believe that Hitler was a capitalist, and thus similar to Trump.

They learned that in college during the 1970s, long before Zeitelman compiled the most comprehensive and best supported picture of National Socialism.

Even today that propaganda lives on, with Maine’s Democratic Socialist Secretary of State giving a speech declaring that she is standing up against “fascism”.

This while a friend of mine gets targeted by socialist brownshirts right here in Lewiston. Her daughter was beaten at school and she had the audacity to complain to our DSA school board because her daughter got removed from the bus while the assailants remained.

After getting nowhere with the school board, the only open white supremacist in Maine reached out to her, a single mother with a traumatized child who got punished by the school for being beaten. She spoke with him briefly, that’s it.

Here is what these Socialist are doing to her, a peaceful and non political woman.

Edit: It looks like they may have taken the website down, but you can still go to r/Maine2 and search the most current postings to see how they are trying to destroy her.

I wrote to every representative I have about this, including in Washington D.C.

2994

Yes and no. We are the “police” when it comes to someone making a profit.

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2995

Well, you just explained that you’re not leaping to conclusions, but still drawing a conclusion.

I am saying that this is a peace negotiation that appears similar to other peace negotiations throughout history. This does not give me the impression that I should have voted for more of what I have described in detail taking place in Maine.

Do you believe I made a mistake in stopping the flow of migrants to my town? Do the people of Lewiston need to educate an additional 1,900 children who don’t speak English to fulfill our moral obligation?

Read the post I made above. If you like, I can dig up the school board meeting this woman being targeted spoke at. The Socialists are here and they are mad right now.

It seems as though you’re frustrated that I don’t overlook everything happening here to instead focus on the latest media narrative that spins Trump into Hitler, even as he dismantles Democratic Socialism.

Perspective will be good for everyone to gain in the coming years. Gen X is taking the helm. We’re kind, not nice.

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2996

And stepping outside that specific issue, one of the things I didnt like about Trump was the possibility of the very thing that seems to be playing out

The “national nightmare of peace” certainly seems off to a bad start… He is talking about using the military to secure Greenland and the panama canal (again pissing off an ally or two), Trump says he is open to using “economic force” to annex canada (and he thinks trade deficits mean we “lose” money and subsidize the other country)

Enacting tariffs on every country in the world for very spurious reasons, which outside of potentially sparking a trade war certainly doesnt lower prices for anything Americans are buying.

Then theres just the general standing of the US in the world. Trump and the MAGA-verse seem to think people respect him, but in fact its quite the opposite. The world laughs at him right to his face , and in just a month he got nearly 1/3 of canadians to view us as an enemy, and while I dont see any polls elsewhere one imagines greenland, ukraine, and our other NATO allies havent been increasing their respect for America over the last month.

Would you make a deal with the US at this point? Trump could sign it and then tear it up next week, and has shown the world that an agreement with the US basically means nothing

2997

A lot of what these politicians say, is to impress their own followers.

He doesn’t care, they didn’t vote for him.

2998

It would be foolish to unequivocally rule out an occupation of either, from a negotiating perspective. Neither of these are new, as we definitely occupied Greenland during WWII. We just set up shop, and that was that. Trump makes great points about the Panama situation.

I predict Greenland will voluntarily join, as Denmark does very little for them and the realpolitik of that situation is unchanged from WWII. Greenland has the same population as my town.

I don’t predict either will end in conflict, although I’d say occupying Panama is a distinct possibility. Realpolitik wins out every time in a situation like that. The Panama Canal is MASSIVELY important.

That was six years ago and I can assure you that none of them are laughing now.

Canada, too, is deeply infested by Democratic Socialist ideology. I would wager that fully 1/3 of Maine hates the USA, too.

This isn’t deciding to shop at Best Buy after Circuit City done you wrong. The world is a poker game that everyone has to play, and the USA is the dealer.

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2999

Youve almost gotten it here…

To the extent that there is frustration, its that in service to getting the local things you want (which I dont fault you for even 1%), you seem to overlook everything else Trump is doing (or are waiting for that amazing twist that never seems to come) and meet any valid criticism or objection to it as us just saying “omzg Trump Hitler” and dismiss it outright as though there isnt any genuine concern or real issue there

Or at the very least you grant him 500 miles of leeway you wouldnt dare give anyone else because you are pot committed and surely Trump has some 4D chess move up his sleeve… but in reality he is just taking a shit on the board and eventually youll have to find some way to say how it was such a brilliant move to do that

3000

Like I said, people here are fucking furious currently. Many seem to think US is turning their coat.

I earlier referred the US as a ”friendly strong cousing”, many feel that you are turning to be the bully instead.

3001

I predict you’ll be the one who will need to continue to find ways to explain why statements like this were a good take on the situation long after reality proves otherwise.

I stand by my earlier revised prediction, formed by putting everything I know and can observe together. So far mine have been holding up pretty well for my 10 years or so of writing about politics here.

He will be in serious discussion among serious historians as one of America’s greatest presidents by the end of this term. Obama will continue to wither into mediocrity, and perhaps be regarded as the most sophisticated enabler of corruption ever seen in American politics.

This is nothing short of a counter-revolution of historical proportions and the drowning of history’s worst ideology.

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3002

It is difficult for me to view the Ukraine invasion as the sky is falling.

I was 43 years old when the Soviet Union fell. For most of my life Ukraine was simply a portion of Russia. It seems as though Russia is simply wanting its “wayward children” to come home. Seems the worst-case scenario is Russia returning to pre-1991 Russia. They would still be an economic disaster. In my 30’s and 40’s Russia felt most like a toothless roaring lion.

I am far more concerned with China. It’s not even close.

For what it’s worth, I have grown to like Ukraine as a sovereign nation. I follow a few of their Olympic athletes. I know that is fairly shallow and selfish, but, at least, I recognize my fault.

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3003

And as we all know, the best way to get your wayward children to come home is break into their house and start killing them and hope the remaining ones fear you enough to not leave or revolt

That’s the most generous take on the invasion ive heard yet, holy shit

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3004

Glad to educate you.

It’s a wonder that a worry wart like you can put on any muscle at all. Your cortisol must stay elevated.

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3005

I was 11 when the iron curtain came down, and remember it very well for being relatively young. Little did I know, I’d be living through a Socialist revolution a couple decades later.

I mentioned this above and I think it is really important to recognize the national identity that comes out of events like this. I predict they will get it together and continue providing the world with some of the finest-looking athletes.

Perhaps they will even have a MAGA of their own, and run the corrupt out of government on a rail.

Have you read much history about that part of the world? Or looked at a map?

This idea that an unconditional surrender by Russia should be the goal, and anything less than that is somehow an endorsement of Putin, is coming from the same people who want you to believe that opposing modern Socialism makes you a far-right fascist.

I don’t always know who to believe, but in 2025 I definitely know who NOT to believe.

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3006

China is way bigger threat globally, but Russia is a big threat locally for us Europeans.

Ukraine is part Russia historically, like vast majority of the Eastern-Europe countries are. Historical bound really don’t hold any water, if you really think about it. Where do you draw the line? 10years? 50? 100?

This is excactly what Russia is after. A Panslavic empire, it contains a big chunk of Europe under Russian control.

To give a rather ridiculous example: why Britain could not demand all its territories back, including parts of the US. This is why we have international co-operation and UN: prevent bigger and stronger countries to take whatever they want.

Besides, all the sweet talk about Ukrainians being Russians were blown to pieces when Russiabs started murdering and raping ukrainian civilians en massé.

I have no illusions that Russia does not win some land from Ukraine, Finland had to give land to Soviets twice. But there should be a major part of the country which is a sovereign state.

3007

Given the state of the public’s view of expertise and education i dont doubt you

There will be some amount of historians and YouTube influencers talking about how amazing he is, and certainly there will be the same on the other side saying how terrible he is

You can assign the weight you give either side and buy in accordingly. I suspect you won’t care much what people who call him the worst ever say about him… so I’m not even really sure what the point of bringing that up is

For example… how much credence do you give the current tally ranking him dead last? https://www.axios.com/2024/02/19/presidents-survey-trump-ranks-last-biden-14th

3008

I know some Ukrainians as well as some Poles. I haven’t heard them bad mouth each other but I have heard their deep dislike to outright hatred for Russia and Russians.

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3009

You have this obsession with injecting socialist and socialism into every sentence you write that it makes it nearly impossible to discuss any issue with you because it always veers off into this boogeyman

I’ll try one last time though, let’s see if we can navigate the issue without the big bad socialists coming to get us

It’s not about an “unconditional surrender “ because the two sides are not at war over something. Russia invaded Ukraine to steal its territory… the answer is for them to fuck off back to Russia. That is not “surrender”; it’s simply leaving and stopping the war they started

At this moment Ukraine Is the one being asked to surrender, both it’s land to Russia and now apparently trump wants 50% of its resources.

In our bar fight analogy above, it’s the guy who started the fight simply stopping the fight and going home. He isnt surrendering with no conditions… hes just leaving and not attacking the other guy any more. But you are framing as in order for the guy to “surrender”, as a reward the guy we are helping only has to give up half the money in his wallet and let the other guy fuck his wide a few times

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3010

Poland was not a perfect democracy in 1939, and Germans had a good explanation for any annexation or conquest they did during that decade.

It needs to be remembered that many European politicians strongly opposed of taking arms against Germany, because war is hell and Hitler had reasons to act as he did. In Britain there was a big discussion why they should help some random poles, they were protected (fairly narrow) canal anyway.

You can see many sides in anything if you really try.

I think the Ukraine discussion is 100% clear. International agreements forbid conquest wars. Period.