Thanks for the thoughtful response.
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The whole woke identity politics ideology was imported from the US.
The underlying political philosophy is as European as mass slaughter.
All forms of dialectic materialism, including Democratic Socialism and its inbred siblings in Europe’s past and present, are comprehensive rejections of American political tradition, rights and liberties.
JD Vance is once again exporting the good stuff about us, instead of our grotesque modern repackaging of European nonsense.
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I wouldn’t have even remembered that if you didn’t remind me just now.
Finland gets a pass in my book. You guys were surrounded and didn’t have much strategic choice, other than risking neutrality without the mountain holds of the Swiss.
Yeah. It’s complicated. It’s not that Finns were fanatic nazis.
But it’s past and we’ve gotten over it/handled the truth. Like Germany has.
Same can’t be said about Russia thought, and it’s the root of their problems.
We can look at things like woke ideology and the importance it puts on feelings and my truth but in England, there is something else at work which is Islam.
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That’s correct. European nations consume much garbage entertainment and copy destructive trendy activity coming from us.
I just skimmed the wiki. Leningrad was pretty brutal, but if I put myself in Finland’s shoes at the time, joining a war against the Soviets in 1941 would be pretty damn tempting. I have read a fair bit about the Winter War, which definitely deserved a big fuck-you in return.
Good job on staying out of the Holocaust.
@zecarlo Islam is only present as a political force in Europe due to Socialist ideology demanding open borders. The UK may very well become the world’s first Islamic nuclear power, depending on what happens in Iran.
All of the worst aspects of European political thought continue to fester in many parts of Europe. It is no surprise that the United States is once again leading the way for free people.
Apparently US refuses to use words ”Russian aggression” in UN.
I still don’t know what’s happening, but it surely looks like Trump is lubed and bending over for Putin. Which is a horrific thing to think of (literally and metaphorically).
Sorry for the strong language, but this looks insane.
It may be that we are to a degree, out of a sense of realpolitik. Again, Russia holds a lot of cards in this game of poker.
It would seem as though Americans are once again in charge of America, and America remains the dealer in this card game. The house doesn’t always win, but I like our odds.
At the end of the day when the bullets start flying against people we can see ourselves in, Americans have always been willing to step up and fight. I don’t see that changing for the worse, I see it changing for the better.
If we fast forward 20 years and the Socialist revolution has entrenched itself in Germany, the UK and other parts of Europe, I can guarantee you that American parents aren’t going to be voting to send their sons and daughters to die for those ideas.
I’d encourage you to consider the American perspective in that kind of sense, and listen to JD Vance’s speech again with that long-term perspective in mind.
Aside from state-level holdouts like Maine, which will look increasingly embarrassing and shameful in the years to come, the USA looks like we’ve finally won the LONG ideological struggle against the Bolsheviks.
McCarthy was right, even if he was wrong to go after so many Americans at the time. They could all be excused for being Marxists when the ideas hadn’t had so many chances to play out in disaster.
There are a lot of talk in Europe for the need of stepping up with defence budgets and co-op, so it might be a partly positive thing if US takes distance. It forces the West-European countries to discover that East-Europe and US will not guarantee their safety.
I actually kind of understand the reapolitik standpoint, but as a long term development, it will weaken the US too. You’re already losing influence.
Still, from a value standpoint it baffles me. We may have some political differences, but siding with murdering dictator? That’s wayy over the line. Try speaking to Putin about freedom of speech. You guys have talked about US representing the core American values, this plays 100% against that claim.
I would ask for proof of this, but I doubt you could provide any. Feminism, race politics, intersectionality, CRT, are all American creations.
This is where you make a critical error. Our nation was founded on principles and ideas that originated in Europe. Was that a grotesque modern repackaging of European nonsense?
You keep mentioning dialectical materialism. This was an invention of Marx. But there are two parts to it and the dialectical part is from Hegel. Hegel was an influence on those philosophers who came after him but dialectical is not dialectical materialism. The idea that dialectical materialism was or is some dominant philosophy or ideology in Europe, is not correct. Look at where it took hold: Russia and later the USSR, not all or most of Europe.
Every nation or society has had bad ideas, including the US. I think you need to look at your own town and ask if Europe is to blame or our grotesque idea of being, to use a term from Popper, an open society. Has our interpretation of our freedoms and ideals made us so tolerant that we tolerate intolerance?
No, that was us taking the parts we could recognize as conducive to the flourishing of human beings, improving on it, and making it our own. Same thing we do with ideas from around the world.
Cultural appropriation, baby.
Dialectical materialism remains the philosophical foundation of all forms of Socialism today. It is garbage. Hegel’s dialectic is trash, too, when it comes to public policy. You ought to know that, if you have ever read anything Giovanni Gentile has written.
It’s a political force in the UK, not Europe, because of white guilt and the emasculation of the British male.
And those are political ideas brought about through the application of dialectical materialism. They are Marxist in origin.
On and on it goes, always evolving with the times.
The gulag people hold power in Maine today, only with two separate constitutions standing in the way of implementing more of the same thing they always deliver.
This is wrong as well. The founders were British subjects, some were born outside of America and many had close familial connections to Britain. They appropriated from their own culture.
And where are these socialist nations in Europe?
I doubt he had public policy in mind.
War sucks. We are still in a state of war against North Korea. We signed an armistice with them, rather than pushing for unconditional surrender. We have had troops stationed in S. Korea since.
What a tale of two systems the Korean Peninsula has given us. Similar to Taiwan and China. Same people, same history, same language, same culture.
Those are two clear examples of two different ideologies playing out over decades, and the flourishing of the Taiwanese people might be what leads us into the world’s next great war.
No, but Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini definitely did, and Hegel’s dialectic was how they talked themselves into a lot of those ideas.
You don’t need to dive into the world of European abstract thought to understand American principles of government, which is one of the reasons it produces superior outcomes across the board.
I agree that war sucks, but there is the question how much will you sacrifice for peace. Now it seems that you’re giving up the moral leadership and American values you’re so proud of.
But I’m still waiting the actual peace negotiations, since those really shows how much US is ready to stand against authoritarianism.
Ps. I mean, you could have passed the 2WWs European theater, and you did not have to compete against Soviet Union. You still did it. Why?