I have been on HCG for two years and was on TRT for 1 year before starting HCG. Load size didn’t change at all for me by adding HCG, but mine did not significantly decrease by adding T. I can’t really tell that HCG does anything for me but raise my E2 some. I am going to experiment the next few months without it. I only added it because my Doc recommended.
You don’t need to constantly stimulate the testicles on TRT, just inject more testosterone. If you want your testicles hanging, cycle the HCG to better mimic the natural pulsatility of LH.
You’re going to strongly disagree that the HCG is boosting your T levels? Or that the HCG combined with your low dose could have simply been replaced with a higher dose? Or that my loads are bigger?
Not sure what you are disagreeing with but these are all factual.
If you could only see the damage HCG did to my back. It is an absolute wreck. I’m embarrassed to take off my shirt. If you have bad back acne now do not even DARE to take HCG.
Dr Serrano stated why it is silly to try to stimulate them all the time as the body doesn’t do that naturally, yet he wants to stimulate his all the time.
Facepalm
I disagree that increasing the test dose will be better than doing a little bit less test with some HCG which seems to be your underlying suggestion
Yes I know I dont need to but unless bad side effects occur I very much prefer it this way
Well, again, sorry to say this, but this is false.
Ask ANY doctor that knows this stuff. Take a man with natural levels of 1200 ng/dL total and take another with 1200 using exogenous testosterone. The exogenous guy will virtually ALWAYS feel better. Boost a man’s natural level using a bit of testosterone and some HCG. Doesn’t matter. The exogenous testosterone guy will ALWAYS feel better. This has been demonstrated over and over and over again. You can believe as you wish but until you ditch the HCG and jack up your test dose to compensate you will never know the difference. I know hundreds who have and the end result is the same in 99% of them.
Not to mention, having been on a TRT regimen for only a few weeks, you are in zero position to understand the difference between the two. To strongly disagree with something that you have virtually no experience with is just ignorant. Try it before making an opinion.
I do not understand why you have some like predisposition of talking me out of using HCG?
I said a few times I wanna keep my testicles full, I wanna keep fertility and I was have a good size cum. All of these cannot be achieved in exogenous testosterone only and everybody knows that
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I don’t think you’re trying to get anyone pregnant now, correct? HCG isn’t required.
If you want to get anyone pregnant later you can add HCG at that time. We have over a dozen videos discussing that topic with multiple docs. Add the HCG when it is required. We know you’ve watched them all because you have commented on all of them.
Nobody cares about the size of your balls.
I just stated that guys doing higher doses have reported bigger loads than lower doses with no HCG, myself included.
Again, not sure what else to say here. We are yet to interview a single physician who states that any of their patients should be taking HCG if fertility isn’t an issue right now. But what do they know, right? You have all the answers 10 weeks into your very first protocol.
I started using it because I was having pretty bad and long last ache in my testicles. That went away, but just last week I noticed chest sensitivity and a lump and I am not sure if its from the HCG or my test dose is high.
Can you provide the evidence for this statement?
I cannot provide evidence as there are no studies on this subject whatsoever. This has been reported to me by multiple doctors. There are several videos on our YouTube channel where doctors are confirming this very thing. I was able to demonstrate it in myself. The suggestions to drop HCG and increase test dose to compensate compelled a ton of men to message us to report that they are feeling better even though their levels are virtually identical to the test+hcg protocol. You’d have to classify this as anecdotal as it goes by FEEL versus anything measurable. If I have over a dozen physicians reporting it, it’s good enough for me.
Please keep in mind that virtually everything I report is information that I’m relaying from them. If a doc has 3000 patients and states that one method has been working significantly better than another, I report it.
Increasing age and duration of testosterone use significantly reduce the likelihood of recovery of sperm in the ejaculate, based on a criterion of a TMC of 5 million sperm, at 6 and 12 months. Physicians should be cautious in pursuing long-term testosterone therapy, particularly in men who still desire fertility.
If I was in the situation of Vonko I would defintly add the hCG.
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No thats not how it works. You post something and I am holding you accountable for what you say. If you say something has been shown over and over again it should be easy to provide the evidence. If the evidence cant bee shown its bla.
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If the docs I’ve been dealing with had been seeing this occur in their practice, they would be recommending that HCG be taken by default if fertility will ever be required. They are simply not seeing this occur in their practice and recommend only adding it when required.
So, I ask you: How am I supposed to provide the evidence for this? Are interviews with doctors I’m doing on YouTube actually reporting this sufficient enough for you? If insufficient, I’d suggest reaching out to them directly.
Its one thing to keep fertility all the time, another to hope to recover it at some point.
And add to this the better sexual experience with HCG and…
My pulse seems to go down a bit these days hope it normalizes completely in the 70s
Provide evidence for better sexual experience with HCG considering you’ve been on TRT for only a few weeks and have yet to try any other way.
What you are stating is nonsense.
If you want to provide personal anecdotal evidence, at least spend a few years doing this, trying different protocols, and then discuss the differences you encountered. You are making statements about something you know nothing about as you have never done it. You’d might as well be discussing your sexual experience with Megan Fox. It would be just as irrelevant.
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