TRT: Protocol for Injections

Pharma TRT
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Select location that does not have visible veins. Press a pen cap, tube or syringe cap on that location to leave and imprint.

Swab that location. Wipe vigorously from different directions if there are hairs, to clean hairs from all sides.

Pick up a fold of skin between your fingers. Inject into the end of the fold, needle is parallel to muscles below.

Press on injection side for 10-15 seconds to promote closing-off of any damaged vessels to prevent bleed bruises that can happen from time to time.

It is easier to see and visualize veins on your legs. Some get lumps and do better with belly injections VS legs or other way around.

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I wish I never came across this thread.

Without HCG, 1mg of Adex would be INSANE for a weekly dose of 100mg of test.

So basically the HCG is beneficial because it raises estrogen that otherwise would have been tanked due to the arimidex.

One drug is taken to counter act the negative effects of the other one.

Itā€™s pure insanity.

Yet Iā€™m the fool that keeps believing in this protocol for some reason hahahaha.

Why do I keep trying this protocol when it does nothing but put me on a hormonal roller coaster?

There are so many menā€¦ the majority of men are on T and T onlyā€¦ 100mg a week and call it a day.

Iā€™m the foolā€¦

Giving this balancing act one more try:

30mg test 250iu .25 Adex every other dayā€¦

Why?

I donā€™t know.

423

Just use less anastrozole.

This should not be in this sticky. Take to YOUR existing thread.
This should not be in this sticky. Take to YOUR existing thread.
This should not be in this sticky. Take to YOUR existing thread.
This should not be in this sticky. Take to YOUR existing thread.

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Is there ONE other person in the world following this ā€œideal protocolā€ laid out above:

100mg tcyp
1mg Adex
875iu HCG

If so what are your results?

Iā€™m wondering if itā€™s so ideal why we donā€™t hear of anyone following it.

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Why do you expect that? This is a sticky. Most details about individuals are in their own threads.

Typical results are:
TT=850-950
E2 in lower 20ā€™s, but some lab work and dose tuning is expected and explained
HCG:

  • testes that do not shrink
    ā€“ preserved sexual self image
    ā€“ also helps with how one is sexually regarded by ones sexual partner(s)
  • largely protected fertility
  • mood improvement
  • some preservation of pregnenolone levels and DHEA subsequent to that and perhaps progesterone and cortisol

It is suggested that one inject at least once a week.

100mg T cyp/eth yields around 70mg [bio identical T]
youthful virile males make around 10mg T per day, so 70mg/week is a good replacement dose.

You have been active here since last July. Why the confrontational attitude?

426

Ksman,

Iā€™m sorry for sounding confrontational.

I have to be my own doctor right now.

Could have done TCYP 50mg 2x/wk and cal it a day.

No HCG no AI.

But after reading this sticky I added HCG and Adex to the mix. Since Iā€™ve added Adex and HCG to the mix I have had issues.

Ksman I BELIEVE IN your protocolā€¦ And I continue to try it.

It just feels like a lot of Adex but I need that much Adex to match this much HCG or else I get an e2 spike from my HCG.

It is a very aggressive protocol as far as HCG and Adex are concerned.

Ive been frustrated by the daily fluctuations.

Sometimes I think Iā€™m crazy for continuing to give this protocol a try.

I could take 50 mg Tcyp 2x/wk and cal it a day.

No AI no HCG.

You seem to have strong feelings about HCG and there is no doubt I fee a ā€œsense of well beingā€ from HCG.

But this isnā€™t an experiment. This is my body. This is my health. I have to make the best decision for me.

50mg tycp 2x/wk puts me at a good level.

There is a HUGE difference between:

  1. Tcyp 50mg 2x/wk

Andā€¦

  1. #1 + AI + HCG

Iā€™m shocked opinions vary so much on the matter.

I put my blind faith in you and added HCG and AI to the mix

Ultimately I have to make my own decision.

I guess it comes down to HCG.

Do we need HCG on a trt protocol???

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I could care less about ball size.

ball size is irrelevant.

In fact I thing shrunken balls looks better sexually.

Main concern is Pregnenolone.

But like I said the difference between just tcyp and

T + HCG + AI is enormous.

If I didnā€™t take HCG I wouldnā€™t need an AI.

VTballa and many others say just t unless otherwise needed.

HUGE difference than this ā€œideal protocolā€ laid out above.

I took blind faith in this protocol.

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Once again KsMan Iā€™m sorry for sounding confrontational just a little frustrated.

I was doing FINE on tcyp 50mg (2x/wk)

Read this sticky and took blind faith in this protocol.

Added HCG to the mix once I added HCG needed to add an AI.

ONnce I added HCG and AI Iā€™ve been having issues and feel different day to day.

So Iā€™m sorry just a little frustrated.

I know my answer is just to go back to tcyp and tcyp only.

I gave this protocol many attempts.

T and T only could work.

Is HCG necessary on a trt protocol?

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JQ, youā€™re taking your frustrations out on KSMan and it is unwarranted and unproductive, particularly in a sticky. Sounds like your T-only protocol was working for you so it behooves you to return to it and stop all this. Hormone problems are a bitch, I get it, but youā€™re not helping yourself or anyone else. Be well.

Rick

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I get an e2 spike from my HCG

Your response to hCG is just the way that you are. You adjust thing to suit your body. Use less hCG. The protocol is a good starting point and you need to make adjustments. Listen to your body and become your expert.

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KSwan
so if someone was not told by there doctor about using an AI, they find out later (8 weeks) that there estrogen is high 74 (7.6-42.6)ā€“ā€¦ should they just start with the recommended 1mg weekly of Arimidex or or a bit stronger and then level out dosage and do another blood test in a few weeks?

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This is the norm: ā€œnot told by there doctor about using an AIā€

Because some are anastrozole over_responders, one should not start on higher doses or front load anastrozole. One could increase the dose with some confidence if they felt good/well taking smaller amounts first. There is a lot more detail in the advice or new guys sticky and the estradiol sticky. There are 7 stickies in total.

Over-responders can have very low E2 and feel depressed and confused, and libido gets worse. You donā€™t want to be there.

" estrogen is high" please use estradiol or E2 terminology.

E2 can be high from high production rates, poor clearance of E2 by the liver or both. AST/ALT will detect liver problems. Some drugs, Rx or OTC, can reduce liver E2 clearance rates. In the advice for new guys sticky you will see that meds etc are needed information.

We can cover your case in the thread that I see that you have created.

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Those numbers look great.

Why would you change anything from the protocol that produced those numbers???

I think thatā€™s part of my frustration with this sticky.

People have a perfectly good protocol with good labs and now all of a sudden HCG and AI is. Ring pushed on them in very scientific language that makes it sound like a necessity.

MANY MEN do just fine on T and T alone.

Yet this thread makes HCG and AI look like a necessity.

It is very confusing and co flirting for those of us still looking to dial things in.

434

Just do your T alone and be happy. Most need what is recommended. This is not about you and this is a sticky.
You have a choice to do what you want to do. Others need information to choose what they need. You are not a censor.
You could choose to not clutter up stickies with your particular details.

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I wonā€™t give up on this protocol. Not yet at least.

Itā€™s just been practically impossible for me to get an accurate lab reading or sense of well being once I added HCG + AI. Everything fluctuates so much with the HCG.

Everyone must find out what works for them.

As a STARTING POINTā€¦ I believe this is too much HCG and AI.

I believe a more appropriate starting point would be:

50/250/.25 2x/wk (Monday am Thursday pm)

And adjust from there.

I want to thank you again for your knowledge and apologize for my frustrations dialing things in.

This will be my last post.

436

Strange. People should realize that this is a fitness board and not an AMA sanctioned Andrologistā€™s guidelines.

437

Probably totally inadequate.
This is not a fitness forum.

If you have a link to: ā€œAMA sanctioned Andrologistā€™s guidelinesā€
please post it here.

438

If HCG is giving you problems, why donā€™t u reduce it? Thereā€™s not some rule like 250IU or nothing. Why donā€™t u take 100IU once or twice a week? Still better than nothing.
And maybe 0.25mg adex once a week or 0.12mg adex twice a week? why notā€¦

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I tried the HCG protocol and did not feel well from it. It can increase E2 in some people. However it helped me to regain my fertilty. I started TRT about 3 yrs ago and wasnā€™t able to get my wife pregnant for the last 3 yrs. We are now expecting our 6th boy. However I would have never known about HCG without this forum. KSMan knows his stuff.

I joined this forum and learned a lot. The AI Anastrazole really helped a lot too. My E2 was around 30 before AI. I take .5mg Anastrazole per week and about 100mg/week IM in two injections of T-cypionate and I feel the best. I was starting to feel pretty crappy about a year ago and that is why I started researching and found this forum.

I also have to give blood periodically to keep my hemoglobbin/hematocrit down as well. It has been a process getting the TRT dialed in. I have to eat pretty clean and do a lot of running and lifting to keep my energy levels up too. It seems if I slack off in any area my energy levels start dropping.

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JDR, nice summary and results. As for energy, have you considered thyroid issues? There is a sticky for that.