[quote]gregron wrote:
^^If I was the NCAA I wouldn’t want to touch this case with a 10 foot pole. I’d rather not set a precedent of getting involve in things like this. The public backlash, shame, criminal trial and ensuing civil trials will do more to kill Penn States recruiting (and thus their season) than NCAA sanctions would.
What parent is going to let their kid go to Penn Sate right now? What Bowl selection Committee will select Pedo State to play in their bowl game?[/quote]
They have to deal with it… I really don’t see how they can side step it. That Freeh report is damning. Like I said, if they are giving schools penalties for free tattoos, how can they say this isn’t their problem?
If the NCAA didn’t want to touch this, they should not have been so petty with the way they handled really stupid, irrelevant violations.
Betcha, Penn State will be boo’d everywhere they go. I wonder how many mocking Paterno effigies we will see on ‘College Gameday’…BTW, I am ready for some football. I am getting that itch.
PSU will likely face ZERO sanctions from the NCAA. This is a CRIMINAL matter and not an NCAA matter. Too bad JoePa died already and didn’t get to answer for his part in this disgraceful story.[/quote]
aaaaaand this.[/quote]
Senior leadership of the school acted criminally with regards to the school.
Well, I’ll put it this way, these schools getting hit with sanctions because an athelete received a free meal once, or somebody helped them with their luggage is going to be awful pissed if PSU gets nothing. I know if I were Ohio or Miami, or USC, I would be 3 alarm pissed off.
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Good to see mob mentality is still alive and well.[/quote]
Yep 3 million e-mails and a 246 page report from a committee headed by a former director of the FBI…mob mentality, you betcha.
Lemme guess, ol’ Joepa did not know anything right? This is all somebody else’s problem right?
Attitudes like yours are what let this situation fester as long as it did. [/quote]
Im not saying the situation was deplorable but less than 10 people out of over 8,000 PSU employees are guilty. Thats not even 1%. I read online forums all day about how they should give the Football Program the death penalty,that Paternos statue should be destroyed,that the university should be burned to the ground,and that all diplomas received from that college should be void. See how all this shit spiraled out of control? Like I said before,convict those that were part of the cover up,compensate the victims,and move on.[/quote]
It’s not how many there were, it’s who they were. Makes all the difference.
To me this is just one more example of what happens when we think of men as MORE than just men - i.e. that Paterno was a myth, legend, 100 percent everything good about the world. More often than not when a man is idolized as such - whether a leader of a country or something smaller like JoePa - we always find out that they were really just men, flawed like everyone else (and in some cases much more flawed than everyone else).
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I agree. There is entirely to much hero worship in this country.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Penn State nation needs to stay strong. This is unfortunate but the program will survive. You don’t cause change by just demolishing everything. You fix things to make them better and set an example of how things should be and how they can improve even if the circumstances are horrific. [/quote]
“And then you can change things. But its gotta be from the inside. Let’s go downtown to the station. Talk to my guy, Stan. He’ll go through what you gotta say to the DA…”
Players getting free tattoos for signing autographs is not the same thing as school officials covering up a child molestation scandle by a former coach.
One is an NCAA violation by a student athlete, the other is not.
[i]"It?s generally assumed university employees know not to commit rape in the shower. So what happened at Penn State did not violate any specific NCAA rules, other than the nebulous ?lack of institutional control? statute.
The NCAA could act on that, but it would be a slippery first. In his November letter to Penn State, NCAA president Mark Emmert cited Bylaw 19.0.2 and the responsibility of coaches to set a proper example.
He cited 11 previous cases where schools were punished for violating it. But in every case, there were also the standard violations like improper benefits, contact and academic fraud. Those things alter the level playing field the NCAA is charged with maintaining.
You could argue that covering up Sandusky aided the team. But it just allowed Penn State to conduct football business as usual. Harboring a pedophile did not give the Nittany Lions a recruiting advantage.
Penn State would be the first school sanctioned solely because its representatives broke the law."[/i]
If this gets punished, I don’t see how you don’t punish schools for coaches getting DUIs, or players committing assault and battery, or an athletic director who beats his wife… you would have to have a massive overhaul of the rules defining specific recruiting sanctions for each possible criminal charge, and decide if the sanctions change based on which member of the faculty is charged (same charge for university president as defensive line coach?)
[quote]gregron wrote:
Players getting free tattoos for signing autographs is not the same thing as school officials covering up a child molestation scandle by a former coach.
One is an NCAA violation by a student athlete, the other is not.
One is a criminal offense, the other is not.[/quote]
This. And the reason why the NCAA needs to stay out of it. Let the Police and the Justice System do its work. Jesus,people complain about how NCAA oversteps its boundaries all the time anyway. There wont be anything left after all is said and done anyway so why go for the overkill?
I keep thinking about some quote from JoPa about how this scandal isn’t about football. But I keep thimking that if it’s not about football, why wasn’t Sandusky handed over to the police? Why was there a discussion at all?
I like how someone made the analogy that JoePa was something like a “God Father” type figure. He was calling all the shots behind the scenes and everyone knew that he was real head honcho dispite his title.
There’s the real possibility that this is not over and more heads will roll. There is the issue of the attornny general who failed to prosecute, the prosecutor that went missing and the now governor of PA.
It also seems to me that the ‘death penalty’ could hurt PSU less than:
having the DOE yank their funding or accreditation over Clery Act violations
having the football team play un-interupted and be, by far, the most hated college football team in US history.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
If this gets punished, I don’t see how you don’t punish schools for coaches getting DUIs, or players committing assault and battery, or an athletic director who beats his wife… you would have to have a massive overhaul of the rules defining specific recruiting sanctions for each possible criminal charge, and decide if the sanctions change based on which member of the faculty is charged (same charge for university president as defensive line coach?)[/quote]
There’s a couple of problems… It happened on school property, they knew it and they allowed it to continue. Coaches were involved, school officials were involved, school facilities were involved. That’s where the NCAA gets involved.
Like I said, I don’t see how the NCAA gets around it. I wouldn’t want to touch this with a 10 foot pole either, but I don’t see where there is a choice.
No matter what, it sucks really bad for the athletes who were led there by a storied, historic, program. If I were those guys, I definitely would be looking for a way out. If they kill the program, I think it’s imperative for the NCAA to transition these guys to other good programs. It sucks for them to get punished for what the leadership did.
