Tren Cycle Only

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[quote]nichaaron wrote:
ddrrtt wrote:
nichaaron wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
JJ wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
Wow! shakes head

Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies

Please nobody else follow this cycle plan. It is reckless and dangerous. This is a prime example of what not to do. Blood in your urine should be treated very very seriously. No amount of muscle is worth organ failure. If you see signs of blood. See a Dr, Even a walk-in clinic Dr. I can not stress this strongly enough.

Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies

I’m pretty sure they can all now see why a Tren only cycle isn’t a good idea. AT least I hope they could see why…

What?

So… these problems are caused from not adding in testosterone huh? This is nothing to do with running tren alone, with OR without test tren should not be run at a dose of 1050mg a week. ANYONE would bleed if they took this harsh drug at that dose. 75mg a week is enough for anyone - if stacked even better. But the issue here was pure and simply overdose of a toxic drug.

And i personally do not think that “warning” was totally necessary… i was embarassed to read it.

JJ

With the amount of stupid posts we get. The least we could do with warn noobs about the careless disregard this op has for his body. Anyone with blood in there urine should see a Dr. They should also be honest about what is going on.

Organ failure or extreme damage is not worth any amount of muscle. So yeah IMO the warning to noobies reading about AAS is needed. Cause someone out there that is going to try and repeat this. And they might not be as lucky as the op.

that plus drinking ANY amount while taking such a kidney killing drug,

hell I am planning a very mild test only cycle in a few months and I am quitting all drinking as of now.
and I dont drink hard just a few beers every now and then

and yes if he had test in there he would not have to run the tren so high and wouldnt have caused the damage he did.

come on, we really do not know if there was “Damage”, the body gave me a warning, and I backed down, and the warning went away.

Make great gains, and a tren only cycle is still very do able!

How are you doing now BTW,are you feeling better,

hows the sides I know this was pretty harsh on you as would it be for anyone.
[/quote]

Well, since I backed off to 50 Ed, sleep is a “little” better, still making strength gains.

The bleeding only lasted a week, so I am not concern about “damage”.

I knew the risks. Had researched. Some people can handle 150 ED, some can not.

But, even though I had sore joints, and sleep problems, I would still do Tren again in the future. Maybe not 150 ED.

Not because it was so great. But I am restricted to what “AAS” I can get access ( I work in an L/E field), and besides, it was pretty “kick-ass” cycle still.

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[quote]ddrrtt wrote:
nichaaron wrote:
ddrrtt wrote:
nichaaron wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
JJ wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
Wow! shakes head

Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies

Please nobody else follow this cycle plan. It is reckless and dangerous. This is a prime example of what not to do. Blood in your urine should be treated very very seriously. No amount of muscle is worth organ failure. If you see signs of blood. See a Dr, Even a walk-in clinic Dr. I can not stress this strongly enough.

Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies

I’m pretty sure they can all now see why a Tren only cycle isn’t a good idea. AT least I hope they could see why…

What?

So… these problems are caused from not adding in testosterone huh? This is nothing to do with running tren alone, with OR without test tren should not be run at a dose of 1050mg a week. ANYONE would bleed if they took this harsh drug at that dose. 75mg a week is enough for anyone - if stacked even better. But the issue here was pure and simply overdose of a toxic drug.

And i personally do not think that “warning” was totally necessary… i was embarassed to read it.

JJ

With the amount of stupid posts we get. The least we could do with warn noobs about the careless disregard this op has for his body. Anyone with blood in there urine should see a Dr.

They should also be honest about what is going on. Organ failure or extreme damage is not worth any amount of muscle. So yeah IMO the warning to noobies reading about AAS is needed. Cause someone out there that is going to try and repeat this. And they might not be as lucky as the op.

that plus drinking ANY amount while taking such a kidney killing drug,

hell I am planning a very mild test only cycle in a few months and I am quitting all drinking as of now.and I dont drink hard just a few beers every now and then

and yes if he had test in there he would not have to run the tren so high and wouldnt have caused the damage he did.

come on, we really do not know if there was “Damage”, the body gave me a warning, and I backed down, and the warning went away.

Make great gains, and a tren only cycle is still very do able!

How are you doing now BTW,are you feeling better,

hows the sides I know this was pretty harsh on you as would it be for anyone.

Well, since I backed off to 50 Ed, sleep is a “little” better, still making strength gains.

The bleeding only lasted a week, so I am not concern about “damage”.

I knew the risks. Had researched. Some people can handle 150 ED, some can not.

But, even though I had sore joints, and sleep problems, I would still do Tren again in the future. Maybe not 150 ED.

Not because it was so great. But I am restricted to what “AAS” I can get access ( I work in an L/E field), and besides, it was pretty “kick-ass” cycle still.[/quote]
I wrote you a pm about synovex.at one time

there are people here that have done a test/tren using syno/fina pellets maybe something to look into to maybe not cause any long term ill effects?
plenty of info here on that.

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[quote]nichaaron wrote:
ddrrtt wrote:
nichaaron wrote:
ddrrtt wrote:
nichaaron wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
JJ wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
Wow! shakes head

Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies

Please nobody else follow this cycle plan. It is reckless and dangerous. This is a prime example of what not to do. Blood in your urine should be treated very very seriously. No amount of muscle is worth organ failure. If you see signs of blood. See a Dr, Even a walk-in clinic Dr. I can not stress this strongly enough.

Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies
Warning to newbies

I’m pretty sure they can all now see why a Tren only cycle isn’t a good idea. AT least I hope they could see why…

What?

So… these problems are caused from not adding in testosterone huh? This is nothing to do with running tren alone, with OR without test tren should not be run at a dose of 1050mg a week. ANYONE would bleed if they took this harsh drug at that dose. 75mg a week is enough for anyone - if stacked even better. But the issue here was pure and simply overdose of a toxic drug.

And i personally do not think that “warning” was totally necessary… i was embarassed to read it.

JJ

With the amount of stupid posts we get. The least we could do with warn noobs about the careless disregard this op has for his body. Anyone with blood in there urine should see a Dr.

They should also be honest about what is going on. Organ failure or extreme damage is not worth any amount of muscle. So yeah IMO the warning to noobies reading about AAS is needed. Cause someone out there that is going to try and repeat this. And they might not be as lucky as the op.

that plus drinking ANY amount while taking such a kidney killing drug,

hell I am planning a very mild test only cycle in a few months and I am quitting all drinking as of now. and I dont drink hard just a few beers every now and then

and yes if he had test in there he would not have to run the tren so high and wouldnt have caused the damage he did.

come on, we really do not know if there was “Damage”, the body gave me a warning, and I backed down, and the warning went away.

Make great gains, and a tren only cycle is still very do able!

How are you doing now BTW,are you feeling better,

hows the sides I know this was pretty harsh on you as would it be for anyone.

Well, since I backed off to 50 Ed, sleep is a “little” better, still making strength gains.

The bleeding only lasted a week, so I am not concern about “damage”.

I knew the risks. Had researched. Some people can handle 150 ED, some can not.

But, even though I had sore joints, and sleep problems, I would still do Tren again in the future. Maybe not 150 ED.

Not because it was so great. But I am restricted to what “AAS” I can get access ( I work in an L/E field), and besides, it was pretty “kick-ass” cycle still.
I wrote you a pm about synovex.at one time

there are people here that have done a test/tren using syno/fina pellets maybe something to look into to maybe not cause any long term ill effects?
plenty of info here on that.
[/quote]

Just was reading some writings on converting them by a fellow known as “Basskiller”, It is definitly do able.

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No.

This guy was making gains on 50mg a day… the increases were greed not necessity.

I agree drinking on this cycle is bad idea… and i agree that newbs need to be warned about not following this route as the norm…

HOWEVER i personally think that that style of warning was childish and out of context for this site, which is generally a serious, intelligent adult site. This was brought up in another thread recently, and is something i agree with, which is why i post here primarily.

if i am a little too boisterous for this site sometimes then that is by FAR too childish.

I ALSO agree that a lower dose with a little test would be better, i also think that due to the reasons given by the OP that a tren cycle is do-able.

Just not if drinking to excess (i dont know what level was consumed so cannot comment) and certainly not at those doses! lol@OP… crazy motherfucker! love it… (kids, do not try this at home)

There is room for adult conversation etc for the newbs who come here to read the reason and rhyme why certain decisions he made were bad (taking just tren in and of itself isnt a bad decision. 1g of it with a bottle of JD is!), but that post was, IMO, childish.

If you must know.

JJ

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Look on this site,for other tips.

The basekiller one is what I found
also look for a fellow named “Dazed”
google is your friend
yes it is very doable and alot safer than a gram or tren
you already have a solid understanding of how to work with what you got you should be able to do this no problem.

if you could also post any other after effects like after pct and what not I would personally love to hear your take.
and honestly I think this was drawn out long enough,and nothing more neds to be said about a persons choices.

we actually ahve a good understanding now of the real life dangers of what to and not to do because we see first hand someone that has recently done this.

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[quote] JJ wrote:
No.

This guy was making gains on 50mg a day… the increases were greed not necessity.

I agree drinking on this cycle is bad idea… and i agree that newbs need to be warned about not following this route as the norm…

HOWEVER i personally think that that style of warning was childish and out of context for this site, which is generally a serious, intelligent adult site. This was brought up in another thread recently, and is something i agree with, which is why i post here primarily.

if i am a little too boisterous for this site sometimes then that is by FAR too childish.

I ALSO agree that a lower dose with a little test would be better, i also think that due to the reasons given by the OP that a tren cycle is do-able.

Just not if drinking to excess (i dont know what level was consumed so cannot comment) and certainly not at those doses! lol@OP… crazy motherfucker! love it… (kids, do not try this at home)

There is room for adult conversation etc for the newbs who come here to read the reason and rhyme why certain decisions he made were bad (taking just tren in and of itself isnt a bad decision. 1g of it with a bottle of JD is!), but that post was, IMO, childish.

If you must know.

JJ[/quote]

Hey, JJ, I didn’t drink all that much, only maybe two days out of seven. And usually when I got over 75 ED, and that was only within the first three hours after the iniatial injection and some ass holes at work were pushing and I wanted to kick them all in the ass…

And even then, it was only two shots of Jameson.

I started at 50 ED and worked my way up because that was what my research showed was the best way, start low and work up slowly. Some persons can handle 150 ED, me 100 or 75 ED would be tops for me.

But Tren alone worked for me. This time. Now if things were to change at home, and I would want “Vlad the Impailer” to work, then I will have to through in Test.

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[quote]nichaaron wrote:
Look on this site,for other tips.

The basekiller one is what I found
also look for a fellow named “Dazed”
google is your friend
yes it is very doable and alot safer than a gram or tren
you already have a solid understanding of how to work with what you got you should be able to do this no problem.

if you could also post any other after effects like after pct and what not I would personally love to hear your take.
and honestly I think this was drawn out long enough,and nothing more neds to be said about a persons choices.

we actually ahve a good understanding now of the real life dangers of what to and not to do because we see first hand someone that has recently done this.
[/quote]

Yea, but dam, playing with, and mixing Lye, and Heet in with all of this, and then shooting it. Whoooo!

No hurry, research, research, research…

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[quote]ddrrtt wrote:
JJ wrote:
No.

This guy was making gains on 50mg a day… the increases were greed not necessity.

I agree drinking on this cycle is bad idea… and i agree that newbs need to be warned about not following this route as the norm…

HOWEVER i personally think that that style of warning was childish and out of context for this site, which is generally a serious, intelligent adult site. This was brought up in another thread recently, and is something i agree with, which is why i post here primarily.

if i am a little too boisterous for this site sometimes then that is by FAR too childish.

I ALSO agree that a lower dose with a little test would be better, i also think that due to the reasons given by the OP that a tren cycle is do-able.

Just not if drinking to excess (i dont know what level was consumed so cannot comment) and certainly not at those doses! lol@OP… crazy motherfucker! love it… (kids, do not try this at home)

There is room for adult conversation etc for the newbs who come here to read the reason and rhyme why certain decisions he made were bad (taking just tren in and of itself isnt a bad decision. 1g of it with a bottle of JD is!), but that post was, IMO, childish.

If you must know.

JJ

Hey, JJ, I didn’t drink all that much, only maybe two days out of seven. And usually when I got over 75 ED, and that was only within the first three hours after the iniatial injection and some ass holes at work were pushing and I wanted to kick them all in the ass…

And even then, it was only two shots of Jameson.

I started at 50 ED and worked my way up because that was what my research showed was the best way, start low and work up slowly. Some persons can handle 150 ED, me 100 or 75 ED would be tops for me.

But Tren alone worked for me. This time. Now if things were to change at home, and I would want “Vlad the Impailer” to work, then I will have to through in Test.
[/quote]

Ye… i thought that was the case, and i personally dont think that a small amount of alcohol had enough effect on the KIDNEYS to contribute to your “problem”… the tren WAS too high - but we all know this in hindsight.

As for vlad - i would suggest using test with the tren next time, as that way, you could use 30mg or 525mg a week opf tren, but added with 500-750mg of test, you will have a real time.
It isnt just about the libido IMO - fuck that, it is about the fact that a class I and a class II steroid when stacked makes for a very very synergistic pairing.
I also think it will take the edge off Tren, which you absolutely felt throughout.

I think there is a place for 19-Nor only cycles, as for the shutdown, how many times do i need to say it? Testosterone doesnt reduce the shutdown, it merely replaces the hormone for libido purposes, it is claimed all to often here that test will ‘cure’ a tren shutdown… ie. post cycle. It is claimed in another thread as i speak:

"Don’t run tren as a stand alone, severe shutdown will follow is there is no test. " - severe shutdown will follow regardless of test.

But for this purpose Proviron (yes, my Mesterelone) does an excellent job at keeping libido throughout a suppressive cycle, and it has less suppression of its own. Much in the same way as Test would be used for this purpose.
But there are other benefits to stacking test that i would choose personally…

JJ

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[quote] JJ wrote:
ddrrtt wrote:
JJ wrote:
No.

This guy was making gains on 50mg a day… the increases were greed not necessity.

I agree drinking on this cycle is bad idea… and i agree that newbs need to be warned about not following this route as the norm…

HOWEVER i personally think that that style of warning was childish and out of context for this site, which is generally a serious, intelligent adult site. This was brought up in another thread recently, and is something i agree with, which is why i post here primarily.

if i am a little too boisterous for this site sometimes then that is by FAR too childish.

I ALSO agree that a lower dose with a little test would be better, i also think that due to the reasons given by the OP that a tren cycle is do-able.

Just not if drinking to excess (i dont know what level was consumed so cannot comment) and certainly not at those doses! lol@OP… crazy motherfucker! love it… (kids, do not try this at home)

There is room for adult conversation etc for the newbs who come here to read the reason and rhyme why certain decisions he made were bad (taking just tren in and of itself isnt a bad decision. 1g of it with a bottle of JD is!), but that post was, IMO, childish.

If you must know.

JJ

Hey, JJ, I didn’t drink all that much, only maybe two days out of seven. And usually when I got over 75 ED, and that was only within the first three hours after the iniatial injection and some ass holes at work were pushing and I wanted to kick them all in the ass…

And even then, it was only two shots of Jameson.

I started at 50 ED and worked my way up because that was what my research showed was the best way, start low and work up slowly. Some persons can handle 150 ED, me 100 or 75 ED would be tops for me.

But Tren alone worked for me. This time. Now if things were to change at home, and I would want “Vlad the Impailer” to work, then I will have to through in Test.

Ye… i thought that was the case, and i personally dont think that a small amount of alcohol had enough effect on the KIDNEYS to contribute to your “problem”… the tren WAS too high - but we all know this in hindsight.

As for vlad - i would suggest using test with the tren next time, as that way, you could use 30mg or 525mg a week opf tren, but added with 500-750mg of test, you will have a real time.
It isnt just about the libido IMO - fuck that, it is about the fact that a class I and a class II steroid when stacked makes for a very very synergistic pairing.
I also think it will take the edge off Tren, which you absolutely felt throughout.

I think there is a place for 19-Nor only cycles, as for the shutdown, how many times do i need to say it? Testosterone doesnt reduce the shutdown, it merely replaces the hormone for libido purposes, it is claimed all to often here that test will ‘cure’ a tren shutdown… ie. post cycle. It is claimed in another thread as i speak:

"Don’t run tren as a stand alone, severe shutdown will follow is there is no test. " - severe shutdown will follow regardless of test.

But for this purpose Proviron (yes, my Mesterelone) does an excellent job at keeping libido throughout a suppressive cycle, and it has less suppression of its own. Much in the same way as Test would be used for this purpose.
But there are other benefits to stacking test that i would choose personally…

JJ[/quote]

The more research I do, the more I think I can convert it.

drt

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convert what?

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[quote] JJ wrote:
convert what?[/quote]

refering to the whole synovex to test prop/or TNE conversion
that way dude can have some test next time around

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If you believe internet rumors there are Powerlifter who have run 2G of Tren a week. I cannot imagine that and perhaps its not true. Still it goes a long way to explaining 5X BW Squats.

For most of us and ddrrtt pretty much testified to this a little tren can go a long way. I’m only using 300mg a week of Enanthate and I’m seeing supreme results. I still think 75mg ED is going to be sufficient for most. Of course as a standalone perhaps you could pull off 100mg ED. Hard to imagine super dosing tren. A little goes a long way

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[quote]saps wrote:
If you believe internet rumors there are Powerlifter who have run 2G of Tren a week. I cannot imagine that and perhaps its not true. Still it goes a long way to explaining 5X BW Squats.

For most of us and ddrrtt pretty much testified to this a little tren can go a long way. I’m only using 300mg a week of Enanthate and I’m seeing supreme results. I still think 75mg ED is going to be sufficient for most. Of course as a standalone perhaps you could pull off 100mg ED. Hard to imagine super dosing tren. A little goes a long way[/quote]

Agree X10, A little does go a long ways.

Dam, 2G a week, I can not imagine.

Due to my situation, I will do Tren again, and if possible, through in some Test. But if not, I would do it again alone. Now I know how much “not” to do, and what to expect.

drt

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Ok, last week, from what I have read, one does not have to “taper”, but I am going to anyway.
Doing 50 rest of the week. Looking forward to a good nights sleep this weekend.

Appreciate all the advice.

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Hello again. I took the last injection this afternoon. Don’t expect any problems the next 5 to 7 days. But if I have any problems, will come back and let you all know if there are any.

Question #1, Have been researching off time. Do I really need equal time off for time on? I just did 8 week cycle. Can can I do another cycle in say 4 weeks?

Kinda anxious to go again.

Question #2. Have any of you read anything on “short” cycles. 4 to 6 weeks, instead of 8 to 12.

Have read of one Tren cycle of 4 weeks @ 150ED. Doubt if I could do that. Seemed each time I would work upto 150 ED, kidneys would hurt, urine was “hot as coffee, and thick as molassess”. But a 4 week cycle at say 100 ED, could be doable…

Opinions…

I LOVE TREN
: )

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Please dont do 150ED… it isnt necessary… a 6 week cycle at a moderate dose of 50mg would be great.

Ya… sadly for us all, the best way to assist recovery is to have AT LEAST as much time off as on. It is hard to do for some of those who are a little more “serious” etc…

I did 6 weekers for all my first 4-5-6 cycles, and it is fine. Like them, must use a short ester mind you, acetate, propionate, phenylpropionate, suspension, 17-AA.

J

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[quote] JJ wrote:
Please dont do 150ED… it isnt necessary… a 6 week cycle at a moderate dose of 50mg would be great.

Ya… sadly for us all, the best way to assist recovery is to have AT LEAST as much time off as on. It is hard to do for some of those who are a little more “serious” etc…

I did 6 weekers for all my first 4-5-6 cycles, and it is fine. Like them, must use a short ester mind you, acetate, propionate, phenylpropionate, suspension, 17-AA.

J[/quote]

No, not me, I tried it hurt my Kidneys, But I would consider 100 ED for a 4 weeker. If there are any problems, I could always drop back to 75, or 50.

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[quote]ddrrtt wrote:

come on, we really do not know if there was “Damage”, the body gave me a warning, and I backed down, and the warning went away.

Make great gains, and a tren only cycle is still very do able![/quote]

hey all, i’m a noobie myself and i’ve been scanning these message boards for quite some time now. i chose, after careful consideration and lots of reading and advice (and against a lot of advice), to do my first cycle. i’m doing Tren E alone.

Now, the pattern i’ve noticed is that everyone who has actually done the Tren only cycle says it’s fine and most say they LOVED it. But all the others say “don’t ever do it!” it took me a long time to notice this pattern, but it’s true. any thoughts from either side?

also, i’m only a week in on 400 mg/wk divided into 2 injects. and i will be adding some test shortly (because of all the jitters i’ve been given by people who haven’t tried the Tren only approach.

i can’t wait to hear back on this one!

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BBB,

i’m not trying to start any kind of an argument and i didn’t really notice an argument here in this thread. it all seemed pretty friendly to me - it’s just that we all know taking tren is toxic and taking WAY TOO MUCH tren is terrible to do.

the only guy in this (old) thread who did the tren only said he’d do it again. that’s my point. everyone says to do test with it (which i’ve decided to do b/c it makes the most sense and i’ve basically been scared into doing it).

i came to this thread because it was a tren only thread and that was my original plan because of advice from a friend, but no one here except ddrrtt seems to have done it.

yes, it’s an old topic, tren alone vs. tren +test. but it’s a new topic to me. i know you’re experienced and it seems one of those people who can’t stand a noobie asking silly, ridiculous questions even though he’s just trying to get more educated.

i have done lots of reading and asked lots of questions, but i’m still looking for more opinions. if you don’t want to help, that’s fine. i just wonder why you responded. no disrespect intended here, so pls don’t take it that way.