Is tren really that bad … how about low doses ran with test 300mg a week ? I have ran test a few times and test , anavar and sermorelin so this will be my second stacking cycle, I haven’t ran test really high but I need better results , not tryna get huge just wanna get to be about 230 solid rn im 220 not completely solid but working on it …. Anyways I was thinking test and tren cycle then drop down to trt strength test cause ill prob have to stay on test at low doses forever befor I started it my test level was super low
Tren is extremely hard on your cardiovascular system. Unless your prepping for a show you don’t need it, and even then it’s questionable.
You don’t have enough experience. Tren is a very advanced compound that carries physical and mental sides. Again, you don’t need it.
If your not getting results, it’s not the drugs, it’s you. Learn how to eat and train properly.
What a most people don’t understand is that drugs only make up about 5% of the equation. Genetics, diet and training make up the rest.
Your looking for advice on drugs but you don’t even talk about yourself at all.
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Depends on how well your head is put together. If you’ve got some mental issues, they WILL be worse.
Physically, it’s quite bad for you. Labored breathing at rest, increased resting heart rate.
Lower doses help to mitigate these symptoms.
But unless you’re prepping for a show, it’s hard to find a good reason to run tren.
DHB, Eq, Mast, Var are all able to accomplish much of the same.
If your reasons for running it are fat loss - just get clen, eat less, and do more cardio.
I’m not gonna run it, I don’t think it’s worth all the bs that comes with it I was on the fence about it just because like anybody else I want fast restults .. I’m 38 and lifted a lot and kept in shape until around 32 then broke my ankle couple yrs ago and set around and got about 20 lbs heavier , been in the gym for about 6 months 2 hrs every other day , workouts a lil diff than I used to my lash set or 2 I go to failure now didn’t back when I lifted befor , my diet isn’t body builder diet but I don’t eat junk or fast food …. Amazing how a site to gain knowledge about this and over all health has so many quick to tell u ur not putting in the work or don’t know shit basically , u have been the first that hast Just fired shots at me cause I didn’t post my life story or why when and were ….. wasn’t aware I had to disclose all that just to ask how bad a compound really was
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I ran test and deca concurrently, and i didnt like it. There is no chance i would ever try tren.
But if you havent run high test, i must recommend. 750/week makes you feel like heman. I have no estrogen sides, and didnt take any AI.
750 test felt much better than 500 test/600 deca. That is the extent of my experience. But listen to these other guys, and try not to feel picked on. Everyone is here to help. Sometimes it is tough love.
Two and three hour workouts can be fun. But i have moved to 45 mins and get better results. Maybe try that and sleeping more.
Ok so I’m not expert by any means just another man doing the things we do! I’m new to this site but I’ma offer my 2 cents..I believe that’s what this site is for… We are all entitled to our own opinions which may differ from others…..anywho it sounds like your interested in people’s experiences with tren and well I for one absolutely love the shit that being said I had a pretty neat stack going on which was tnt400 and primo and holy smokes!! I can say honestly after 12 weeks I did not use any Ai or any PCT and I did not have any negative effects with exception to some minor backacne also my moods were fine I was invincible.
my point is everyone is different what’s good for some will be bad for others. The cool thing about primo and tren…
Primobolan does not aromatize into estrogen, meaning it does not cause estrogen-related side effects like water retention or gynecomastia
Tren is an androgen receptor agonist with strong anabolic (muscle-building) effects. Unlike testosterone, it does not convert to estrogen in the body (it resists aromatization)
Now you obviously need some test in the mix cause when a person uses potent AAS like trenbolone, their body’s natural testosterone production is significantly suppressed. Using external testosterone as a “base” ensures that the body still has sufficient levels of this critical hormone to function properly. So tnt works great for me
So this is what got me sold on the choices I made for my last cycle. I believe each substance has a special power or attribute that is there strong point
Trenbolone
Changes where calories go
Aggressively blocks fat storage pathways
Forces recomposition
Primobolan
Improves how nutrients are used
Reduces waste and hormonal noise
Supports clean, sustainable tissue gain
One is a sledgehammer. The other is a scalpel. Together i feel was very impressive
The tnt I did contained 250mg Testosterone-enanthate and 150mg-Trenbolone Enanthate so I was doing 300 a week of tren as you were wondering I don’t think I’d do any more than that cuz man I was switched on…
anyone else have any input feel free correct me where I’m wrong and enlighten me where I lack insight…we’re all here to learn and be the best version of our selves
“Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success.” – Henry Ford
Let get get it!! Be safe!! train hard win easy !!
I’m 21. 6’1 215 pounds been working out since 17. Got serious about it ~2.5 years ago. On my second cycle of mk677. Last cycle was winter of 2024. Started at .25 ml and slowly tapered up to 1ml (25mg). I’m wanting the real shit now. Do you recommend the cycle you listed here? I understand the importance of cuttin, bulking, and I know diet, rest and nutrition play the biggest roles. Any recommendations for my first real cycle?
Eric what’s going on brother!
Ok ’ll give you my honest take, not a sales pitch.
MK-677 is a very different lane than AAS. It’s more about recovery, sleep, appetite, and gradual tissue support, not forcing recomposition. If it’s working for you and you’re still seeing progress, there’s no rush to escalate just to “feel something.” A lot of guys make that jump too early and end up chasing side effects instead of gains.
The primo + tren combo (tnt400 as I still had test in the mix cuz u have to ) I ran worked well for me, but I wouldn’t frame it as a first real cycle or a logical next step from MK. Tren especially isn’t something I’d recommend until you’ve already run a basic testosterone cycle and know exactly how your body reacts to suppression, estrogen management, blood pressure changes, sleep disruption, and mood shifts.
If you’re set on moving beyond MK at some point, the smarter progression in my opinion is: • Dial training, diet, sleep completely • Run bloodwork • Start with a simple test-only cycle • Learn how your body handles recovery and PCT
Once you understand that baseline, then compounds like primo actually make sense. Tren is effective, but it’s unforgiving and not something I’d call a “learning compound.”
Bottom line: MK isn’t a mistake, but it’s not magic either. Use it to build habits and recovery capacity, not as a stepping stone straight into the deep end. Progress that you can sustain beats feeling invincible for 12 weeks and paying for it later.
And I’ll say this again I really do believe this Primo + Tren is a crazy combo if you know what you’re doing. And also strongly believe every steroid has a “superpower”: Primo boosts nutrient utilization—your body actually uses the food you eat to build clean, sustainable muscle. Tren is all about nutrient partitioning—it aggressively pushes calories toward muscle and away from fat, which is why recomposition happens so fast. Low aromatization on both means less water, less gyno, and that hard, lean look.
But here’s the real-life hack no joke brother : Tren makes you hangry. Keep a Snickers (or whatever fuel you like) in your pocket and eat every couple hours or you’ll feel it—and so will everyone around you. I’m serious u need to have something in ur belly it helps you not become some jerk I really do think that this roid rage bull can be avoided MOST of the time by just listening to your body but used smart, this combo is a beast. You just gotta respect the superpowers.
Appreciate you reaching out and asking these questions—it shows you want to do this smart, not just chase hype. Everyone’s different, so moderation is key and I’ll be honest I’ve never followed any of the dosages you see online I would really analyze what there taking and I’d cut it in half and then slowly increase till I felt it was hitting home. Again my opinion and also I don’t wanna ever hit those negative side effects ever if I can help it so If you’re trying something new, start low, see how your body reacts, then gradually increase. That first sign of any negative side effect is your signal: that’s your personal max. Don’t rush it—slow, steady, and intentional wins in the long run. And honestly just to be safe have some PST and AI there incase but I’m a real believer if it ain’t broke don’t fix it I don’t need some breast cancer medication if I don’t need it some reason in my head I think that way and we’ll we’re all different I don’t wanna advise you in areas I’m not qualified to do so these are my personal opinions ok brother so really just analyze everything make a decision based on what works for you again thanks for reaching out of I can offer any other advice man just ask the only dumb question is the one not asked.
And hey man, I see the grind you’ve been putting in—years of consistent training, learning, and improving yourself. That dedication shows, and it’s the kind of effort that really shapes you, in and out of the gym. Keep pushing, you’re building more than just muscle—you’re building discipline and resilience.
“It comes down to work, because excellence is not normal. If you want to be in the top 1%, you have to do what 99% of the other people are not able or not willing to do.” — Eddie O’Connor (sports psychology)
TRAIN HARD, WIN EASY BROTHER!!!
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Messing with your hormones at 21yo is a mistake. This is what @Acappital should have said instead of his long winded explanation of what drugs to take. Not saying what he said isn’t accurate but it’s not appropriate for a 21yo with a few years of lifting experience.
Your body and brain aew not finished developing until your late 20’s. Messing with hormones now can impact the rest of your life negatively.
My recommendation would be to get diet/training for 5-6 more years and hit your genetic limits. Once there think about using gear. With a couple years of trainin gyou do not have a solid base and what you gain during this cycle would be lost in PCT.
Nothing in this sport happens fast. It takes years to build a physique. It’s not a race.
Be smart here, your young. Do mess with your health. You have the highest testosterone levels you will have in your life until almost 30yo. Take advantage, don;t shut it off. You may not recover back to where you are.
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You’re right about the age factor, and that’s a fair correction. I probably should’ve emphasized that more.
My intent was to discuss the mechanics and risks from an informational standpoint, not to encourage a 21-year-old to jump into hormones. At that age, natural testosterone is already high, and shutting it down early absolutely carries long-term risks.
I agree that focusing on diet, training consistency, recovery, and building a real base for several more years is the smarter move. Anything gained too early is likely lost during PCT anyway.
I appreciate you calling that out. If you’re young and your hormones are still doing what they’re supposed to do, messing with them isn’t worth the potential cost.
Thank you @s.gentz I really appreciate you stepping in to clarify. That perspective is important, especially for younger guys. I overlook a factor, and that’s why these conversations are valuable. We’re here to challenge, correct, and help each other with better context. That’s what a solid community does. Appreciate the contribution.
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