[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Besides which, this was hardly all about race. As a demographic, blacks tend to identify with Democrats and usually vote democrat in very high numbers. The real difference this time around is voter turnout. Can you really blame a historically persecuted racial minority for being excited that one of their own has the potential to be president and turning out in record numbers?
What I’m trying to figure out is why the same posters who criticize certain groups and affiliations for “perpetuating” racism…are doing so themselves by being so fixated on black voting numbers and percentages…accusing this as racism.
Or am I just confused? Somebody help me out.[/quote]
You don’t need help. They do. I am guessing most of these guys are suburban raised white young males who think that “racism” simply involves thinking about your own race. I hold that opinion because they would have to be the only group in America that in the dark about how much race negatively affected blacks in this country on a massive scale through the 1970’s and 1980’s. Some might argue that we didn’t see a true decrease in it until the 1990’s or later. Hell, many will say that they didn’t feel like true Americans until after 9/11 when suddenly we had a new “enemy” to focus on as a country.
No, you’re not the one confused at all.
We’ve had these debates before and most of them won’t even acknowledge racism exists on a scale worth worrying about in reference to blacks as if it all ended in the 1960’s.
Racism is not about thinking about your own race. It involves the persecution of one race over another on a mass scale which involves one race having social/political/financial power over another.
It’s a deserving topic of conversation. The logical conclusion is that the GoP will find it more and more difficult to win. It would certainely seem that Demographic trends favor Democrats.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s a deserving topic of conversation. The logical conclusion is that the GoP will find it more and more difficult to win. It would certainely seem that Demographic trends favor Democrats. [/quote]
I agree…but this can’t be used to make arguments for black voters being blatant racists…as some posters are ignorantly doing so.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s a deserving topic of conversation. The logical conclusion is that the GoP will find it more and more difficult to win. It would certainely seem that Demographic trends favor Democrats.
I agree…but this can’t be used to make arguments for black voters being blatant racists…as some posters are ignorantly doing so.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Besides which, this was hardly all about race. As a demographic, blacks tend to identify with Democrats and usually vote democrat in very high numbers. The real difference this time around is voter turnout. Can you really blame a historically persecuted racial minority for being excited that one of their own has the potential to be president and turning out in record numbers?
What I’m trying to figure out is why the same posters who criticize certain groups and affiliations for “perpetuating” racism…are doing so themselves by being so fixated on black voting numbers and percentages…accusing this as racism.
Or am I just confused? Somebody help me out.
You don’t need help. They do. I am guessing most of these guys are suburban raised white young males who think that “racism” simply involves thinking about your own race. I hold that opinion because they would have to be the only group in America that in the dark about how much race negatively affected blacks in this country on a massive scale through the 1970’s and 1980’s. Some might argue that we didn’t see a true decrease in it until the 1990’s or later. Hell, many will say that they didn’t feel like true Americans until after 9/11 when suddenly we had a new “enemy” to focus on as a country.
No, you’re not the one confused at all.
We’ve had these debates before and most of them won’t even acknowledge racism exists on a scale worth worrying about in reference to blacks as if it all ended in the 1960’s.
Racism is not about thinking about your own race. It involves the persecution of one race over another on a mass scale which involves one race having social/political/financial power over another.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s a deserving topic of conversation. The logical conclusion is that the GoP will find it more and more difficult to win. It would certainely seem that Demographic trends favor Democrats.
I agree…but this can’t be used to make arguments for black voters being blatant racists…as some posters are ignorantly doing so.
…Including the person you just responded to.[/quote]
Wrong.
We now have the conclusive evidence that America IS NOT AS RACIST as portrayed by race-mongering groups and activists.
Wrong we have proof that part of the population is extremely racist, greater than 90%.
Oh, please,if I where black you can bet your ass that I would have voted for Obama.
Just to make my mother happy, because she would also be black and would have seen the 50s and 60s as a black woman.
Call that what you want, but that is not racism.[/quote]
I thought Obama was black but wait his mother is white… How did that happen?
And this election does not show how far we have come as a people, the numbers show blacks voted for a guy because of his race. To me this is racism. I dont understand how it could be anything else.
I concede blacks have voted mostly Dem but never this much and this many.
To me its crazy, if more than 90% of whites voted for McCain and he won the election it would be considered race driven, but it doesnt work the other way?
And Obama wouldnt of even made it past the primaries if he was white. We wouldve had our first female pres if that was the case. few that was close.
And this election does not show how far we have come as a people, the numbers show blacks voted for a guy because of his race. To me this is racism. I dont understand how it could be anything else.
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The numbers show blacks voted for a Democrat, same as usual when speaking generally. You don’t understand because you don’t want to. I also tend to think explaining this much beyond that is a waste of time.
[quote]BillO21 wrote:
I thought Obama was black but wait his mother is white… How did that happen?
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And what exactly are you getting at? If he was just a regular joe…people wouldn’t even bother pointing out that his mother is white…or proclaim that he’s not even black.
If you don’t understand…then maybe you just don’t know what racism is. Are black people trying to keep the white race from advancing by voting for Obama??
And this election does not show how far we have come as a people, the numbers show blacks voted for a guy because of his race. To me this is racism. I dont understand how it could be anything else.
The numbers show blacks voted for a Democrat, same as usual when speaking generally. You don’t understand because you don’t want to. I also tend to think explaining this much beyond that is a waste of time.[/quote]
Blah thanks for the laugh.
It you wont educate me maybe someone else will.
It is my understnading blacks have voted Dem mostly in the past, I get that, but at a rate of 70&. This election blacks voted in much greater numbers and at a rate of 90%. Are you telling me you believe the higher turn out and extra 20% were motivated not by race?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What plank(s) of the Democrat platform are so attractive that they win 95% of the black vote?
Edit: This is a serious question, not a jab.[/quote]
No, the better question is what specific platform did white voters use to vote for McCain?
It makes about as much sense for you to mind read your fellow White Americans to answer that question as it does to assume any of us could answer for every other black person who voted in this election.
[quote]BillO21 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
And this election does not show how far we have come as a people, the numbers show blacks voted for a guy because of his race. To me this is racism. I dont understand how it could be anything else.
The numbers show blacks voted for a Democrat, same as usual when speaking generally. You don’t understand because you don’t want to. I also tend to think explaining this much beyond that is a waste of time.
Blah thanks for the laugh.
It you wont educate me maybe someone else will.
It is my understnading blacks have voted Dem mostly in the past, I get that, but at a rate of 70&. This election blacks voted in much greater numbers and at a rate of 90%. Are you telling me you believe the higher turn out and extra 20% were motivated not by race?[/quote]
It is taking everything in me not to point out how slow someone would have to be to not be able to understand what racism even means in this country historically.
Someone above asked the question of whether blacks are attempting to hold power over whites by voting for Obama. Answer that question first.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
I thought Obama was black but wait his mother is white… How did that happen?
And what exactly are you getting at? If he was just a regular joe…people wouldn’t even bother pointing out that his mother is white…or proclaim that he’s not even black.
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Ok I shouldve made myself clear. My point was he has a white mother and black father, but he is considered white. I dont get it. At what point is a person black and a person white?
EDIT sorry condidered black
I might not know what racism is. I think of racism as anything anyone does because of someones race. I did NOT think about race when I voted. IF whites turned out and voted 90% McCain wouldve won, would that be ok?
Ok I shouldve made myself clear. My point was he has a white mother and black father, but he is considered white. I dont get it. At what point is a person black and a person white? [/quote]
Most people in this country would consider me black. Do you see me as any other race by looking at my pictures?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
And this election does not show how far we have come as a people, the numbers show blacks voted for a guy because of his race. To me this is racism. I dont understand how it could be anything else.
The numbers show blacks voted for a Democrat, same as usual when speaking generally. You don’t understand because you don’t want to. I also tend to think explaining this much beyond that is a waste of time.
Blah thanks for the laugh.
It you wont educate me maybe someone else will.
It is my understnading blacks have voted Dem mostly in the past, I get that, but at a rate of 70&. This election blacks voted in much greater numbers and at a rate of 90%. Are you telling me you believe the higher turn out and extra 20% were motivated not by race?
It is taking everything in me not to point out how slow someone would have to be to not be able to understand what racism even means in this country historically.
Someone above asked the question of whether blacks are attempting to hold power over whites by voting for Obama. Answer that question first.[/quote]
Hold power over whites, I do not bleieve this. I think ignorant white people would think this. I beleive blacks voted for him because they were screwed beyond belief even to this day and see this as a way of getting a fair shake for once. I try to be a realist.
If people vote for someone because of thier color is it racism?
[quote]BillO21 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
And this election does not show how far we have come as a people, the numbers show blacks voted for a guy because of his race. To me this is racism. I dont understand how it could be anything else.
The numbers show blacks voted for a Democrat, same as usual when speaking generally. You don’t understand because you don’t want to. I also tend to think explaining this much beyond that is a waste of time.
Blah thanks for the laugh.
It you wont educate me maybe someone else will.
It is my understnading blacks have voted Dem mostly in the past, I get that, but at a rate of 70&. This election blacks voted in much greater numbers and at a rate of 90%. Are you telling me you believe the higher turn out and extra 20% were motivated not by race?
It is taking everything in me not to point out how slow someone would have to be to not be able to understand what racism even means in this country historically.
Someone above asked the question of whether blacks are attempting to hold power over whites by voting for Obama. Answer that question first.
Hold power over whites, I do not bleieve this. I think ignorant white people would think this. I beleive blacks voted for him because they were screwed beyond belief even to this day and see this as a way of getting a fair shake for once. I try to be a realist.
If people vote for someone because of thier color is it racism?
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Then it is NOT “racism”. Wanting to see your own race NOT get picked on is NOT racism. Some might even call that a little fucking self respect.
Ok I shouldve made myself clear. My point was he has a white mother and black father, but he is considered white. I dont get it. At what point is a person black and a person white?
Most people in this country would consider me black. Do you see me as any other race by looking at my pictures?
Just answer the question.
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Ok, Ill be honest, I would think your black, BUT I like being wrong because this means Ive learned something.
Its messed up, I know two people both with white mothers and black fathers. One looks like a black guy and the other a white guy. Society sees one as white and one as black, how messed up is that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
And this election does not show how far we have come as a people, the numbers show blacks voted for a guy because of his race. To me this is racism. I dont understand how it could be anything else.
The numbers show blacks voted for a Democrat, same as usual when speaking generally. You don’t understand because you don’t want to. I also tend to think explaining this much beyond that is a waste of time.
Blah thanks for the laugh.
It you wont educate me maybe someone else will.
It is my understnading blacks have voted Dem mostly in the past, I get that, but at a rate of 70&. This election blacks voted in much greater numbers and at a rate of 90%. Are you telling me you believe the higher turn out and extra 20% were motivated not by race?
It is taking everything in me not to point out how slow someone would have to be to not be able to understand what racism even means in this country historically.
Someone above asked the question of whether blacks are attempting to hold power over whites by voting for Obama. Answer that question first.
Hold power over whites, I do not bleieve this. I think ignorant white people would think this. I beleive blacks voted for him because they were screwed beyond belief even to this day and see this as a way of getting a fair shake for once. I try to be a realist.
If people vote for someone because of thier color is it racism?
Then it is NOT “racism”. Wanting to see your own race NOT get picked on is NOT racism. Some might even call that a little fucking self respect.[/quote]
Ok I can see your point but I would think if 90% of whites voted for McCain it would be racism. By definition wbsters defines racism as
a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
Am I wrong in my beleif?