[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]illadelphia91 wrote:
Is there a reason they announced the verdict on a saturday night?
It’s just asking for trouble imo. Saturday night, people drunk at the bars, then they hear… George Zimmerman, NOT GUILTY.
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They announce it when it’s reached.[/quote]
makes sense, thanks
Now begins the facebook posts of people who apparently know more than the jurors.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Now begins the facebook posts of people who apparently know more than the jurors.[/quote]
Yup. Either way, there’s no reason to celebrate, regardless of who you thought was ‘less wrong’. It’s a sad situation that has come to its conclusion, and my feelings wouldn’t be hurt either way.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Stiglitz wrote:
But again, Zimmerman is an idiot … And a pussy. So pussy shoots punk. They both did something stupid to end up where they are.
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Nicely summed up. [/quote]
Not a big thing, GL, and I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’m a little surprised at your enthusiasm about downing Zimm for being a “pussy” in this thread.
You never struck me as someone who jumps on others’ weakness.
Just say’n.[/quote]
Just trying to shed a little honesty onto the “Zimmerman as hero” crowd. No “enthusiasm” for anything in this case. “jumping on weaknesses?” Nah, I’m jumping on some of the things said in this thread.
I kinda figured you’d get that… Just say’n 
A related case? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/
I wonder if those supporting Zimmerman will now come out for this woman?
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
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[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
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[quote]Love Nike wrote:
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[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
So what lesson you all should be learning from this is…[/quote]
being “white” is the new black
calling someone a “creepy ass cracker” is perfectly acceptable
having your nails did for court is more important than being able to speak or read
if you’re dead son becomes famous, trade mark his name and make that paper
avoid everything in florida that isnt a beach, or Gatorland. [/quote]
Not sure when Cracker became a curse? I mean hell Ritz Crackers, Cracker barrel, soup and Crackers. Is it really something you convict a person for if so
then Ritz owes some white dudes a lot of cash.
But the fat chick was a sad display. [/quote]
Why are you denying that it is a racial slur?
Do you think it is okay to call folks Kike or WOP? [/quote]
Was it meant as a Racial Slur by Martin to the chick on the phone, Sure, but would it have been worse or better if he said Motherfucker?
I don’t even care if Zimmerman called Martin a Niger, his actions are what fucked him up that night not his vocabulary.
Now back to the Cracker word, come on in the realm of “slurs” that is pretty weak. I mean call me when they have Kike or Wop Barrel stores
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are you seriously taking that stance, or is that sarcasm and I missed it?
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Trying to type with my phone is pissing me off…
Now to your question. What did you think I meant. I thought it was an honest answer to her question.
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i was addressing the cracker comment you made with cracker barrel being a place so it cant be racist.
well, ‘cracker’ is short for ‘whip-cracker’. so when there is a ‘whip-cracker barrel’ then your point may be valid. until then, it is a racist slur to white
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Never heard that before, and I’m not a young guy. What is a “Whip-Cracker”?
Once again never said it wasn’t a Racial Slur. Just on the list of slurs it is a weak one.
But “whip cracker” hmmm yep that is the first I ever heard of that.
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if i recall correctly, you are not white. so, as someone that isnt white, you get to decide how ‘strong’ or ‘weak’ a slur for a white person is? interesting. so as someone that isnt black i can decide how ‘strong’ or ‘weak’ ni… i think you get the point.
as far as the etiology of the term-
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/whip+cracker
now you have heard it more than once and from multiple places.
hmmm yep, i think i have proven my point.
EDIT: I am digging through my 2pac collection to find where he uses it. I can recall lyrics where he uses redneck and peckerwood (2 more slurs in case that is ‘hmmm yep that is the first I ever heard of that’ too) and I am almost positive he uses cracker as well. I am also almost positive NWA did, as well.
EDIT2: that didnt take long. from his song ‘fuck em all’:
Here come the coppers
The swat team and the helicopters
Them crackers is crazy
Why? Cause they’ll never stop us
and I am sure there are more…
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The only point I get is you feel the word Cracker is a slur. YES, I agree and stated that in my FIRST, 2nd and 3rd post. So not sure what most of that was about.
I do see that you disagree with the level of offense it has in the white community and on that I have no argument. I’m not white, It’s why I posted the statement in the first place to see how can the same word used on department stores and food products be as offensive as the Other 2 slurs you added that are used against the white community. It was a question, I even posted it as a question.
And yet you feel I’m making a stand. Nope just having a conversation
Also I didn’t say I never heard of the slur CRACKER I said I never heard of WHIP CRACKER.
And up to this point never thought it had any other meaning than toasted dough. But since no one else is arguing yay or nay to if they knew of the words origin I’m guessing it was not widely known or really cared about.
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i read the ‘hmmm yep’ comment as you being a smart little twat and responded as such. if you were not being a smart ass, I apologize for the tone.
but, back to the point at hand, CRACKER IS WHIP-CRACKER. The ‘whip’ was dropped at some point for some reason.
EDIT: just allow me to say, from the Urban Dictionary (which i am betting is widely read)-
“The word Cracker is in reference to the one who cracked the whip.”
and
"A racial slur used by blacks to demean whites, it refers to the time in the USA when a slave master would “crack” a whip to get the slaves to work. It’s often shortened to “cracka.” "
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
A related case? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/
I wonder if those supporting Zimmerman will now come out for this woman?[/quote]
If she actually fired warning shots at her abusive husband, I back her 100%.
either that article is severely lacking or she is getting 20 years for discharging a firearm in a residential area?
If her husband was truly abusive, her shots should have been center of mass, not warning. and I would support her 100% on that, too. I dont care if she is black. Contrary to what seems to be popular belief 'round these parts, white people arent raging racists whose only means of deriving pleasure is through racist acts.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
A related case? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/
I wonder if those supporting Zimmerman will now come out for this woman?[/quote]
If she would have shot her husband instead of firing warning shots she would most likely be covered under a affirmative defense. The law does not recognize warning shots or brandishing a firearm for that matter. If you feel that your safe enough to fire a warning shot, the law will not view your action as being in line with someone who is reasonably in fear of loss of life or limb.
She should have fired center-mass, huh?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
She should have fired center-mass, huh?[/quote]
if he was abusive and she feared for her safety, absolutely.
there is no excuse for spousal abuse. And for the vast majority of the human race, a male will overpower and best a female in a physical confrontation. her only recourse is external means of protection. In this case it appears she chose a gun.
if the abuse stuff is trumped up and she didnt have a restraining order like the article says, then she fucked up big time.
is the sentence seriously for discharging a firearm? i am too lazy too look the case up.
or would you prefer head shots?
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
there is no excuse
for spousal abuse.[/quote]
HA
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
there is no excuse
for spousal abuse.[/quote]
HA[/quote]
wiky-wiky-scratch
I’m old enough to remember when South-Central Los Angeles was in flames following a different not guilty verdict in 1992, in which a black man, speeding through a residential area, was beaten to a pulp by the LAPD as they tried to subdue him.
Fifty-three people were killed during the riots, and over a billion dollars in damage was caused. Counter-intuitively, most of this damage was done in the rioters’ own neighborhoods.
Now, protesting what one believes to be an unjust verdict may be justified, but I hope that Trayvon’s supporters find a more constructive means of voicing their displeasure at this verdict than burning down their own liquor stores and stealing TVs from stores in their own neighborhoods.
Time will tell.
The “whip cracker” origin is only one of a number of possible etymologies for this slur. Another competing etymology is that poor whites in the antebellum/Civil War South subsisted on a diet of cracked corn, and therefore, just as French people were called “frogs”, Germans “krauts”, Mexicans “beaners” and British “limeys” (interestingly enough, a French slur for Englishmen is rosbifs), the dietary habits of the people to whom the slur applied informed the slur itself.
I had always thought that the term originated because the wealthy whites were pasty as saltines, but apparently not.
You know, there really is a need for an anti-white slur that has the emotional punch of “nigger”. The words “cracker” and “honky” and “whitey” just aren’t getting the job done. Something really insulting, but short and sweet that you can just spit out and cause as much hurt and anger as “nigger” has done for centuries. Indonesian has “bule”, Cantonese has “gwailoh”, and Spanish has “guero”, but we need a powerful equivalent in English if there is to be any hope for true equality in this country.
In the meantime, I think Chris Rock has the best practical usage guide for the word “cracker” that I’ve seen.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
You know, there really is a need for an anti-white slur that has the emotional punch of “nigger”. The words “cracker” and “honky” and “whitey” just aren’t getting the job done. [/quote]
You forgot “chuck,” though I have no idea where that come from.
Perhaps that was before your time? ;-)[/quote]
What gets me is that there are a multitude of stereotypical foods that all ethnicity supposedly eat (you know, curry, sushi, rice and beans, etc.) and nothing for white people.
What do these fuckers eat?!
Also, as an unrelated PSA, Zimmerman ain’t white. People need to be remembering this.