[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I was unaware it had been established that either he ran or followed him.
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I think you might want to listen to the Zimmerman call to the police. Martin approaches Zimmerman and then leaves. Zimmerman says that “He [Martin] is running.” “He ran” Zimmerman also admits to following him. [/quote]
And says he quit following him before the confrontation.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.
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You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.
The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose
to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get
killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.
If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]
?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]
“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]
Hahahah, You must be new to the Get a Life section, yeah I own a couple. I also carry. Escalating a situation means I believe this guy to be a bad guy. He sees me and runs I leave my car and walk far enough to loose sight of my Vehicle. Yes theis can be perceived to be a chase. Yes I can forsee that if I
come back into contact with this guy he may see me as a threat. Yes I can see this because I know I could end a life with a squeeze of my trigger.
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question…How did Zimmerman escalate the situation? Did Zimmerman ever lay a finger on Trayvon? All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
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Sorry BRO but your homemade laws were never passed.
2a) Stalk starts when cops ask you to NOT follow somebody and you continue. The next step is an order of protection.
3) Your bullshit story of the kid with the bike turning and punching the guy above instead of leaving doesn’t apply. The guy said hello, not followed the kid home staring at him on the phone.
4) YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.
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A dispatcher is not a cop, and you are not legally obliged to listen to them. Also, Mr. Zimmerman responded “ok”, when the dispatcher said it was NOT NECESSARY to follow Martin (hint: this is not an order). Implying that he was going to do as the dispatcher said.
I suggest you look up the difference between stalking and following.
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Do you regularly go around making up facts? You capitalize a correction to be technical about a summary statement and you state it in correctly.
If you want to be technical, she said “We don’t need you to do that”
A dispatcher is a dispatcher. SOME dispatchers ARE cops. When a dispatcher says WE she’s speaking for the cops.
And please tell me how running after a kid running the opposite way after a “DISPATCHER” told you not to is not stalking?
And to all the people that said Trayvon should have avoided the situation please tell me what you would do if someone ran after you with a gun?[/quote]
You think you would have been caught by Zimmerman if he was running after you? Trayvon was not shot in the back. Evidence and Testimony showed Trayvon was standing over Zimmerman when he was shot.
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Wellllllll, not exactly, he admitted it could also be from Trayvon backing up at moment of impact. But Zimmerman only knows.[/quote]
I thought he told me to have a good day, I guess he just needed another opportunity for a misguided “fact”
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your misguided fact. Leaving work, have a good weekend.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I was unaware it had been established that either he ran or followed him.
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I think you might want to listen to the Zimmerman call to the police. Martin approaches Zimmerman and then leaves. Zimmerman says that “He [Martin] is running.” “He ran” Zimmerman also admits to following him. [/quote]
And says he quit following him before the confrontation.[/quote]
Not really. He just said “OK” when she said we don’t need you to do that. But again he did go far enough to lose sight of his vehicle. Let’s be honest guys was that smart?
The hell with legality would you tell your son, dad, nephew to do what Zimmerman did?
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You think you would have been caught by Zimmerman if he was running after you? Trayvon was not shot in the back. Evidence and Testimony showed Trayvon was standing over Zimmerman when he was shot.
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Wellllllll, not exactly, he admitted it could also be from Trayvon backing up at moment of impact. But Zimmerman only knows.[/quote]
I will agree we are going only on Zimmerman’s story, but he has stayed true to his story, and the evidence and testimony by both Prosecution and Defense Witness do not contradict his story. There is a lot of reasonable doubt to convict. Have a good weekend.
I wonder what would have happen if martin was a civilized human being and NOT a punk ass piece of shit.
Zimmerman - hey, what are doing over there?
if martin was civilized - I’m just talking on the phone, having a smoke. i live at this address.
Zimmerman - Oh, ok. It’s late out and there have been some complaints about sketchy people. Keep an eye out
if martin was civilzed - no problem, have a good night.
…and everybody goes about their business.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You think you would have been caught by Zimmerman if he was running after you? Trayvon was not shot in the back. Evidence and Testimony showed Trayvon was standing over Zimmerman when he was shot.
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Wellllllll, not exactly, he admitted it could also be from Trayvon backing up at moment of impact. But Zimmerman only knows.[/quote]
I will agree we are going only on Zimmerman’s story, but he has stayed true to his story, and the evidence and testimony by both Prosecution and Defense Witness do not contradict his story. There is a lot of reasonable doubt to convict. Have a good weekend.
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I will 100% admit I have a Bias because I am a Gun owner and collector and I hate when people view his judgement as something I’m cool with. And Yes I think the Jury does have some wiggle room it could go either way on manslaughter. But his story is shaky on moments before the confrontation
[quote]Aggv wrote:
I wonder what would have happen if martin was a civilized human being and NOT a punk ass piece of shit.
Zimmerman - hey, what are doing over there?
if martin was civilized - I’m just talking on the phone, having a smoke. i live at this address.
Zimmerman - Oh, ok. It’s late out and there have been some complaints about sketchy people. Keep an eye out
if martin was civilzed - no problem, have a good night.
…and everybody goes about their business.[/quote]
Zimmerman never asked him anything…By his own 911 call he just followed until Martin noticed and got scared and ran.
Okay ladies and gents, what are your predications???
2nd Degree Murder- Not Guilty
Manslaughter- I am 50/50 on this, could go either way. But IMHO, based on evidence he shouldn’t be convicted
Not Guilty- I am going with this.
Even if he does get convicted they will appeal and I believe he will eventually go free.
I just do not see how based on evidence (if you have been watching the trail every day since it started) that he would be convicted. I am sorry, there are too many things that show Martin was the aggressor.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
lol, I think you are missing the point and not reading carefully. [/quote]
I got it, but it wasn’t worth a proper response.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Do you regularly go around making up facts? [/quote]
I don’t make up facts; we will see from the following that YOU do, though.
And?
This is some high IQ stuff right here, folks.
No, they aren’t.
Irrelevant.
Stalking is obsessive and repetitive behavior. Following someone whom you presume is up to no good (like the guys in the King of Bel Air) is…following. Not stalking. Also, Mr. Zimmerman did not run after him.
The gun didn’t come out until during the fight. You clearly know nothing of what happened. If I felt threatened enough, I would have called the police. I probably would have stood still and watched Mr. Zimmerman and gone from there.
Then I’d be all like “naaah man, I ain’t thieving, I just wanted some skittles. Taste the rainbow, muddafukka, knowmasayin? I’m staying at my dad’s fiancee’s house. Do you know her? She lives on xxxxxx. Her name is lafawnshaqua leequa”.
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
Okay ladies and gents, what are your predications???
2nd Degree Murder- Not Guilty
Manslaughter- I am 50/50 on this, could go either way. But IMHO, based on evidence he shouldn’t be convicted
Not Guilty- I am going with this.
Even if he does get convicted they will appeal and I believe he will eventually go free.
I just do not see how based on evidence (if you have been watching the trail every day since it started) that he would be convicted. I am sorry, there are too many things that show Martin was the aggressor. [/quote]
I hope I’m wrong but my guess is:
Not Guilty all counts
And I’m sorry but many of you saying at 17 you would call the cops are just full of S H I T!!!
At 14 if some guy was stalking me enough to make me scared to run after a minute the fear fades and then I go. Wait a minute this little motherfucker chasing me. And yes I may have rolled on his ass like what the fuck man. Why are you creeping on me???
[quote]four60 wrote:
And I’m sorry but many of you saying at 17 you would call the cops are just full of S H I T!!!
At 14 if some guy was stalking me enough to make me scared to run after a minute the fear fades and then I go. Wait a minute this little motherfucker chasing me. And yes I may have rolled on his ass like what the fuck man. Why are you creeping on me???[/quote]
Just because that’s not what they would have done in that situation is irrelevant, calling the cops is what SHOULD be done.
I must say, it’s interesting watching this case as a Brit.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
And I’m sorry but many of you saying at 17 you would call the cops are just full of S H I T!!!
At 14 if some guy was stalking me enough to make me scared to run after a minute the fear fades and then I go. Wait a minute this little motherfucker chasing me. And yes I may have rolled on his ass like what the fuck man. Why are you creeping on me???[/quote]
Just because that’s not what they would have done in that situation is irrelevant, calling the cops is what SHOULD be done.
I must say, it’s interesting watching this case as a Brit. [/quote]
True. Just like Zimmerman Should have stayed in the car.
Im talking about all the people saying they WOULD have at 17. Some yeah maybe. But come on stop the BS’ing
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
And I’m sorry but many of you saying at 17 you would call the cops are just full of S H I T!!!
At 14 if some guy was stalking me enough to make me scared to run after a minute the fear fades and then I go. Wait a minute this little motherfucker chasing me. And yes I may have rolled on his ass like what the fuck man. Why are you creeping on me???[/quote]
Just because that’s not what they would have done in that situation is irrelevant, calling the cops is what SHOULD be done.
I must say, it’s interesting watching this case as a Brit. [/quote]
True. Just like Zimmerman Should have stayed in the car.
Im talking about all the people saying they WOULD have at 17. Some yeah maybe. But come on stop the BS’ing[/quote]
BS’ing? Like you saying you would attack a man you think is following you at age 14?
Away and shite.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
And I’m sorry but many of you saying at 17 you would call the cops are just full of S H I T!!!
At 14 if some guy was stalking me enough to make me scared to run after a minute the fear fades and then I go. Wait a minute this little motherfucker chasing me. And yes I may have rolled on his ass like what the fuck man. Why are you creeping on me???[/quote]
Just because that’s not what they would have done in that situation is irrelevant, calling the cops is what SHOULD be done.
I must say, it’s interesting watching this case as a Brit. [/quote]
True. Just like Zimmerman Should have stayed in the car.
Im talking about all the people saying they WOULD have at 17. Some yeah maybe. But come on stop the BS’ing[/quote]
BS’ing? Like you saying you would attack a man you think is following you at age 14?
Away and shite.
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Correction: I said I would stop running and confront with a WTF. Attack is your words
At 14 yeah. We grew up fast in Brooklyn NY. A man I realized I was bigger than after running, yeah I would have. But hey. You are Free to believe what you wish
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
And I’m sorry but many of you saying at 17 you would call the cops are just full of S H I T!!!
At 14 if some guy was stalking me enough to make me scared to run after a minute the fear fades and then I go. Wait a minute this little motherfucker chasing me. And yes I may have rolled on his ass like what the fuck man. Why are you creeping on me???[/quote]
Just because that’s not what they would have done in that situation is irrelevant, calling the cops is what SHOULD be done.
I must say, it’s interesting watching this case as a Brit. [/quote]
True. Just like Zimmerman Should have stayed in the car.
Im talking about all the people saying they WOULD have at 17. Some yeah maybe. But come on stop the BS’ing[/quote]
BS’ing? Like you saying you would attack a man you think is following you at age 14?
Away and shite.
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At 14 yeah. We grew up fast in Brooklyn NY. A man I realized I was bigger than after running, yeah I would have. But hey. You are Free to believe what you wish[/quote]
That just defies all logic though…especially considering you seem to be in the Trayvon FTW side.
You would attack a man you think is following you just cause you may be bigger? What happens if he has a knife or even a gun?
It’s stupid, impulsive reactions like this one that sparks situations that caused the kids death.
Why risk injury to yourself when you can just escape? Just to be an internet alpha yeah? Again, defies all logic.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
And I’m sorry but many of you saying at 17 you would call the cops are just full of S H I T!!!
At 14 if some guy was stalking me enough to make me scared to run after a minute the fear fades and then I go. Wait a minute this little motherfucker chasing me. And yes I may have rolled on his ass like what the fuck man. Why are you creeping on me???[/quote]
Just because that’s not what they would have done in that situation is irrelevant, calling the cops is what SHOULD be done.
I must say, it’s interesting watching this case as a Brit. [/quote]
True. Just like Zimmerman Should have stayed in the car.
Im talking about all the people saying they WOULD have at 17. Some yeah maybe. But come on stop the BS’ing[/quote]
BS’ing? Like you saying you would attack a man you think is following you at age 14?
Away and shite.
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At 14 yeah. We grew up fast in Brooklyn NY. A man I realized I was bigger than after running, yeah I would have. But hey. You are Free to believe what you wish[/quote]
That just defies all logic though…especially considering you seem to be in the Trayvon FTW side.
You would attack a man you think is following you just cause you may be bigger? What happens if he has a knife or even a gun?
It’s stupid, impulsive reactions like this one that sparks situations that caused the kids death.
Why risk injury to yourself when you can just escape? Just to be an internet alpha yeah? Again, defies all logic.
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I’m in my mid 40’s talking about my mentality at 14. You are ? Talking about a kid thinking like an adult. Is your mind really that closed?
Im sure as a teen you did everything 100 % within the realm of logic.
Stupid is what kids do. That is why Adults are held MORE accountable.
Are do you also disagree
[quote]Aggv wrote:
I wonder what would have happen if martin was a civilized human being and NOT a punk ass piece of shit.
Zimmerman - hey, what are doing over there?
if martin was civilized - I’m just talking on the phone, having a smoke. i live at this address.
Zimmerman - Oh, ok. It’s late out and there have been some complaints about sketchy people. Keep an eye out
if martin was civilzed - no problem, have a good night.
…and everybody goes about their business.[/quote]
This
Zimmerman is a wannabe cop and an idiot … But it looks like Martin was spoiling for a fight. If he really wasn’t doing anything wrong, I see no reason to be anything other than annoyed with the neighborhood busybody
And for the last time, dispatchers are not cops, and nothing they say over the phone constitutes any type of lawful command from law enforcement
But again, Zimmerman is an idiot … And a pussy. So pussy shoots punk. They both did something stupid to end up where they are.
[quote]four60 wrote:
And yes I may have rolled on his ass like what the fuck man. Why are you creeping on me???[/quote]
Lol I don’t talk jive or internetz or whatever pish slang you use so apologies I took “rolled on his ass” as meaning a physical confrontation.
My point still stands, why not just run? Why confront him? Why risk a potentially bad scenario?
Cause you are dense, thinking you are alpha just like it seems Trayvon did.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
And yes I may have rolled on his ass like what the fuck man. Why are you creeping on me???[/quote]
Lol I don’t talk jive or internetz or whatever pish slang you use so apologies I took “rolled on his ass” as meaning a physical confrontation.
My point still stands, why not just run? Why confront him? Why risk a potentially bad scenario?
Cause you are dense, thinking you are alpha just like it seems Trayvon did.
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Sure, fine I’m dense. At 14 I’m sure you lived the life of a saint.
Hail saint you. Do you feel any better.
Let us all just Blame the dead kid mistake but ignore Zimmerman leaving a car with his gun, all while thinking a hoodlum is near by. Because as an adult does that make any sense?