Trayvon Martin Trial

system · July 12, 2013, 9:10pm

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
The take-away out of this to me is to not walk around with a chip on my shoulder and to avoid confrontations whenever reasonably possible, because people don’t play any more.

Two people went looking for trouble and they both fucking found it.

(Yes, including Trayvon, he was a hot head. Instead of running the fuck away from that creepy ass cracker, decided to confront him. Trayvon should have gotten off the phone with that fat chick and called the cops himself. Problem averted.)

Reminds me of the little sleepy town of Lincoln, NM, literally down the street from me. (Home of Billy the Kid, Pat Garret, and a running gun battle that ended up killing 30 or 40 people.)[/quote]

Hey Ruff, if we’re “creepy ass crackers,” what are you? ;-)[/quote]

NM cops got in trouble for calling some criminals ‘bucks’ (male version of squaw) or “chief”. Never found those offense, so I think it was bogus they got in trouble.

Our fricken football team is the “Chiefs” (seriously).

In the Army, it was BFI (big fucking Indian). As in “get the BFI to do X”. But we had names for everyone, so that probably doesn’t count.

Others I’ve heard are: alcoholic, scalper, Tonto, casino, etc…

I’ve always preferred ---- because it was actually meant to be derogatory ---- “reservation nigger” (what my mom called members of our tribe that lived off welfare), “trail nigger,” or “prairie nigger” and the like.

Feel free to call me whatever.

My skin may be red, but it is thick and I have some sense, unlike the perpetually offended.

I can tell when “sir” is an insult and when “trail nigger” is affectionate.

UtahLama · July 12, 2013, 9:12pm

If nothing else THIS should be the basis for a new trial.

UtahLama · July 12, 2013, 9:12pm

THIS

Airtruth · July 12, 2013, 9:19pm

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.
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You just showed your colors, and you are the one who is blinded by color and a racist, and that is your prerogative, but do not put that label on me.

I guess you did not watch the trial, with evidence, and witnesses.

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Your guess would be wrong similar to your other related post

DoubleDuce · July 12, 2013, 9:21pm

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
The take-away out of this to me is to not walk around with a chip on my shoulder and to avoid confrontations whenever reasonably possible, because people don’t play any more.

Two people went looking for trouble and they both fucking found it.

(Yes, including Trayvon, he was a hot head. Instead of running the fuck away from that creepy ass cracker, decided to confront him. Trayvon should have gotten off the phone with that fat chick and called the cops himself. Problem averted.)

Reminds me of the little sleepy town of Lincoln, NM, literally down the street from me. (Home of Billy the Kid, Pat Garret, and a running gun battle that ended up killing 30 or 40 people.)[/quote]

Hey Ruff, if we’re “creepy ass crackers,” what are you? ;-)[/quote]

NM cops got in trouble for calling some criminals ‘bucks’ (male version of squaw) or “chief”. Never found those offense, so I think it was bogus they got in trouble.

Our fricken football team is the “Chiefs” (seriously).

In the Army, it was BFI (big fucking Indian). As in “get the BFI to do X”. But we had names for everyone, so that probably doesn’t count.

Others I’ve heard are: alcoholic, scalper, Tonto, casino, etc…

I’ve always preferred ---- because it was actually meant to be derogatory ---- “reservation nigger” (what my mom called members of our tribe that lived off welfare), “trail nigger,” or “prairie nigger” and the like.

Feel free to call me whatever.

My skin may be red, but it is thick and I have some sense, unlike the perpetually offended.

I can tell when “sir” is an insult and when “trail nigger” is affectionate.[/quote]

Great, you just learned me new words I’m not allowed to use. I don’t have to avoid them if I don’t know them.

legendaryblaze · July 12, 2013, 9:28pm

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
A 20 lbs difference isn’t that big of a deal in a hand to hand fight. [/quote]

lol. You sure about that 20lbs thing?
…And I thought it was a 40 lbs difference?[/quote]

According to wiki it’s a 27 lbs difference.

dmaddox · July 12, 2013, 9:30pm

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.
[/quote]

You just showed your colors, and you are the one who is blinded by color and a racist, and that is your prerogative, but do not put that label on me.

I guess you did not watch the trial, with evidence, and witnesses.

[/quote]

Your guess would be wrong similar to your other related post
[/quote]

And your guess is just as wrong. Have a nice day.

four60 · July 12, 2013, 9:31pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
The take-away out of this to me is to not walk around with a chip on my shoulder and to avoid confrontations whenever reasonably possible, because people don’t play any more.

Two people went looking for trouble and they both fucking found it.

(Yes, including Trayvon, he was a hot head. Instead of running the fuck away from that creepy ass cracker, decided to confront him. Trayvon should have gotten off the phone with that fat chick and called the cops himself. Problem averted.)

Reminds me of the little sleepy town of Lincoln, NM, literally down the street from me. (Home of Billy the Kid, Pat Garret, and a running gun battle that ended up killing 30 or 40 people.)[/quote]

Hey Ruff, if we’re “creepy ass crackers,” what are you? ;-)[/quote]

NM cops got in trouble for calling some criminals ‘bucks’ (male version of squaw) or “chief”. Never found those offense, so I think it was bogus they got in trouble.

Our fricken football team is the “Chiefs” (seriously).

In the Army, it was BFI (big fucking Indian). As in “get the BFI to do X”. But we had names for everyone, so that probably doesn’t count.

Others I’ve heard are: alcoholic, scalper, Tonto, casino, etc…

I’ve always preferred ---- because it was actually meant to be derogatory ---- “reservation nigger” (what my mom called members of our tribe that lived off welfare), “trail nigger,” or “prairie nigger” and the like.

Feel free to call me whatever.

My skin may be red, but it is thick and I have some sense, unlike the perpetually offended.

I can tell when “sir” is an insult and when “trail nigger” is affectionate.[/quote]

Great, you just learned me new words I’m not allowed to use. I don’t have to avoid them if I don’t know them.[/quote]

Sheeet, most of us that lived thru the 70’s understand Buddy or Pal can be an invite to a fight. Most times it’s the emotion behind the word.

But we all must admit that on the very long list of slurs “cracker” is damn near Baby Shit soft.

DoubleDuce · July 12, 2013, 9:33pm

[quote]four60 wrote:

Sheeet, most of us that lived thru the 70’s understand Buddy or Pal can be an invite to a fight. Most times it’s the emotion behind the word.

But we all must admit that on the very long list of slurs “cracker” is damn near Baby Shit soft.[/quote]

What are some soft, more acceptable black people terms I could use?

four60 · July 12, 2013, 9:33pm

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
THIS[/quote]

No way! Really?

Airtruth · July 12, 2013, 9:37pm

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

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You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose

to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get
killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]

“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Hahahah, You must be new to the Get a Life section, yeah I own a couple. I also carry. Escalating a situation means I believe this guy to be a bad guy. He sees me and runs I leave my car and walk far enough to loose sight of my Vehicle. Yes theis can be perceived to be a chase. Yes I can forsee that if I come back into contact with this guy he may see me as a threat. Yes I can see this because I know I could end a life with a squeeze of my trigger.

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question…How did Zimmerman escalate the situation? Did Zimmerman ever lay a finger on Trayvon? All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

Sorry BRO but your homemade laws were never passed.

The Neighborhood watch leader is not a cop. He’s not an investigator. He keeps an eye out, and organizes. The reason being …well this case.
Investigating and stalking are two different things, one is legal in the real world the other isn’t. Stalking is harassing someone. If a cop harasses somebody he will get in trouble also.
2a) Stalk starts when cops ask you to NOT follow somebody and you continue. The next step is an order of protection.
Your bullshit story of the kid with the bike turning and punching the guy above instead of leaving doesn’t apply. The guy said hello, not followed the kid home staring at him on the phone.
YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.
[/quote]

A dispatcher is not a cop, and you are not legally obliged to listen to them. Also, Mr. Zimmerman responded “ok”, when the dispatcher said it was NOT NECESSARY to follow Martin (hint: this is not an order). Implying that he was going to do as the dispatcher said.
I suggest you look up the difference between stalking and following.
[/quote]

Do you regularly go around making up facts? You capitalize a correction to be technical about a summary statement and you state it in correctly.

If you want to be technical, she said “We don’t need you to do that”
A dispatcher is a dispatcher. SOME dispatchers ARE cops. When a dispatcher says WE she’s speaking for the cops.

And please tell me how running after a kid running the opposite way after a “DISPATCHER” told you not to is not stalking?

And to all the people that said Trayvon should have avoided the situation please tell me what you would do if someone ran after you with a gun?

Gambit_Lost · July 12, 2013, 9:38pm

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
A 20 lbs difference isn’t that big of a deal in a hand to hand fight. [/quote]

lol. You sure about that 20lbs thing?
…And I thought it was a 40 lbs difference?[/quote]

According to wiki it’s a 27 lbs difference.

lol, I think you are missing the point and not reading carefully.

DoubleDuce · July 12, 2013, 9:42pm

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Do you regularly go around making up facts? You capitalize a correction to be technical about a summary statement and you state it in correctly.

If you want to be technical, she said “We don’t need you to do that”
A dispatcher is a dispatcher. SOME dispatchers ARE cops. When a dispatcher says WE she’s speaking for the cops.

[/quote]
Not a legal order. Not a cop. Not even an order at all. Dispatchers do and say dumb things a lot of times.

I was unaware it had been established that either he ran or followed him.

[quote]

And to all the people that said Trayvon should have avoided the situation please tell me what you would do if someone ran after you with a gun?[/quote]

As far as I was aware, by all accounts, the gun was concealed until well into the fight.

UtahLama · July 12, 2013, 9:43pm

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
THIS[/quote]

No way! Really?[/quote]

Oh yes really… I google-FU’d that shit.

four60 · July 12, 2013, 9:44pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Sheeet, most of us that lived thru the 70’s understand Buddy or Pal can be an invite to a fight. Most times it’s the emotion behind the word.

But we all must admit that on the very long list of slurs “cracker” is damn near Baby Shit soft.[/quote]

What are some soft, more acceptable black people terms I could use?[/quote]

To Black people? None
To white People? None

To friends either race knock yourself out they will hip you to the line you may cross.

The Funniest shit I ever heard was a drunk guy got mad at me and thought I was Puerto Rican and called me a Bilingual Nigger.

dmaddox · July 12, 2013, 9:44pm

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

[/quote]

You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose

to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get
killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]

“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Hahahah, You must be new to the Get a Life section, yeah I own a couple. I also carry. Escalating a situation means I believe this guy to be a bad guy. He sees me and runs I leave my car and walk far enough to loose sight of my Vehicle. Yes theis can be perceived to be a chase. Yes I can forsee that if I come back into contact with this guy he may see me as a threat. Yes I can see this because I know I could end a life with a squeeze of my trigger.

[/quote]

question…How did Zimmerman escalate the situation? Did Zimmerman ever lay a finger on Trayvon? All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

Sorry BRO but your homemade laws were never passed.

The Neighborhood watch leader is not a cop. He’s not an investigator. He keeps an eye out, and organizes. The reason being …well this case.
Investigating and stalking are two different things, one is legal in the real world the other isn’t. Stalking is harassing someone. If a cop harasses somebody he will get in trouble also.
2a) Stalk starts when cops ask you to NOT follow somebody and you continue. The next step is an order of protection.
Your bullshit story of the kid with the bike turning and punching the guy above instead of leaving doesn’t apply. The guy said hello, not followed the kid home staring at him on the phone.
YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.
[/quote]

A dispatcher is not a cop, and you are not legally obliged to listen to them. Also, Mr. Zimmerman responded “ok”, when the dispatcher said it was NOT NECESSARY to follow Martin (hint: this is not an order). Implying that he was going to do as the dispatcher said.
I suggest you look up the difference between stalking and following.
[/quote]

Do you regularly go around making up facts? You capitalize a correction to be technical about a summary statement and you state it in correctly.

If you want to be technical, she said “We don’t need you to do that”
A dispatcher is a dispatcher. SOME dispatchers ARE cops. When a dispatcher says WE she’s speaking for the cops.

And please tell me how running after a kid running the opposite way after a “DISPATCHER” told you not to is not stalking?

And to all the people that said Trayvon should have avoided the situation please tell me what you would do if someone ran after you with a gun?[/quote]

You think you would have been caught by Zimmerman if he was running after you? Trayvon was not shot in the back. Evidence and Testimony showed Trayvon was standing over Zimmerman when he was shot.

four60 · July 12, 2013, 9:49pm

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

[/quote]

You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose

to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get
killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but

you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]

“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Hahahah, You must be new to the Get a Life section, yeah I own a couple. I also carry. Escalating a situation means I believe this guy to be a bad guy. He sees me and runs I leave my car and walk far enough to loose sight of my Vehicle. Yes theis can be perceived to be a chase. Yes I can forsee that if I
come back into contact with this guy he may see me as a threat. Yes I can see this because I know I could end a life with a squeeze of my trigger.

[/quote]

question…How did Zimmerman escalate the situation? Did Zimmerman ever lay a finger on Trayvon? All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

Sorry BRO but your homemade laws were never passed.

The Neighborhood watch leader is not a cop. He’s not an investigator. He keeps an eye out, and organizes. The reason being …well this case.
Investigating and stalking are two different things, one is legal in the real world the other isn’t. Stalking is harassing someone. If a cop harasses somebody he will get in trouble also.

2a) Stalk starts when cops ask you to NOT follow somebody and you continue. The next step is an order of protection.
3) Your bullshit story of the kid with the bike turning and punching the guy above instead of leaving doesn’t apply. The guy said hello, not followed the kid home staring at him on the phone.
4) YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.
[/quote]

A dispatcher is not a cop, and you are not legally obliged to listen to them. Also, Mr. Zimmerman responded “ok”, when the dispatcher said it was NOT NECESSARY to follow Martin (hint: this is not an order). Implying that he was going to do as the dispatcher said.
I suggest you look up the difference between stalking and following.
[/quote]

Do you regularly go around making up facts? You capitalize a correction to be technical about a summary statement and you state it in correctly.

If you want to be technical, she said “We don’t need you to do that”
A dispatcher is a dispatcher. SOME dispatchers ARE cops. When a dispatcher says WE she’s speaking for the cops.

And please tell me how running after a kid running the opposite way after a “DISPATCHER” told you not to is not stalking?

And to all the people that said Trayvon should have avoided the situation please tell me what you would do if someone ran after you with a gun?[/quote]

You think you would have been caught by Zimmerman if he was running after you? Trayvon was not shot in the back. Evidence and Testimony showed Trayvon was standing over Zimmerman when he was shot.
[/quote]

Wellllllll, not exactly, he admitted it could also be from Trayvon backing up at moment of impact. But Zimmerman only knows.

Airtruth · July 12, 2013, 9:50pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Do you regularly go around making up facts? You capitalize a correction to be technical about a summary statement and you state it in correctly.

If you want to be technical, she said “We don’t need you to do that”
A dispatcher is a dispatcher. SOME dispatchers ARE cops. When a dispatcher says WE she’s speaking for the cops.

[/quote]
Not a legal order. Not a cop. Not even an order at all. Dispatchers do and say dumb things a lot of times.

I was unaware it had been established that either he ran or followed him.

[quote]

And to all the people that said Trayvon should have avoided the situation please tell me what you would do if someone ran after you with a gun?[/quote]

As far as I was aware, by all accounts, the gun was concealed until well into the fight.[/quote]

using # instead of quotes

I agree and if you do something dumb you pay the price. If they tell you to do something smart and you don’t listen to do something dumb you should pay the price.
Zimmerman’s transcript states Trayvon was running to the other entrance. I will use two implications here, he said oh shit in a tone that applied he’s getting away, and zimmerman had to run after him since the fat fuck could catch a 17 year old kid who he couldn’t fight.
I’ll concede that as a possibility but that is not a fact also. Purely his word which he did not testify to, although seeing a gun would explain someone taking off in the opposite direction while both parties are on the phone.

Gambit_Lost · July 12, 2013, 9:57pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I was unaware it had been established that either he ran or followed him.
[/quote]

I think you might want to listen to the Zimmerman call to the police. Martin approaches Zimmerman and then leaves. Zimmerman says that “He [Martin] is running.” “He ran” Zimmerman also admits to following him.

Airtruth · July 12, 2013, 9:53pm