Trayvon Martin Trial

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

And you know this how?[/quote]

People keep saying things that even the Watch Crew Zimmerman was apart of (not captain of) do not say. No they are not Supose to go off alone to investigate.

And what is Zimmerman, Gandi? The only way Zimmerman never laid a finger in tray would be If Tray knocked him on his ass and Zimmerman fell hit his head got scared and shot (this is from your comment about Zimmerman not touching Martin)

But people heard a struggle so both parties did some finger laying[/quote]

The only ones that testified said Trayvon was on top of him MMA style Ground and Pound. The witnesses were for the Prosecution not the Defense.
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Also the only wounds on Trayvon was the gun shot wound. I am thinking Zimmerman was knocked on his ass and hit his head. The evidence supports this.

I will agree we only have the testimony of what actually happened from Zimmerman, but the evidence and eye witness accounts, of a very little bit of time, seem to support Zimmerman’s claim more than the Prosecutions claim of 2nd Degree Murder or Manslaughter.

[quote]Stew wrote:
12 Jul 2013

Judge In Zimmerman Case Pressured by Obama Administration?

Bizarre outburst by Judge Nelson against Zimmerman suggests Prejudice.

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones

July 11, 2013

Speculation is raging that the judge in the George Zimmerman case could
have been put under pressure by the Obama administration after she
staged a bizarre outburst during which she interrogated Zimmerman while
repeatedly silencing his lawyers.

The hostile exchange began when Judge Debra Nelson asked Zimmerman if he
planned to testify.

Essentially, Judge Nelson told Zimmerman he had the ?absolute right to
remain silent but then proceeded to demand he answer her questions
interrogation-style while silencing his lawyers.

Defense attorney Don West twice objected to Nelsons interrogation,
prompting the judge to raised her voice and exclaim, “Your objection is
overruled!” in a manner more befitting of an angry parent lecturing a
child than a legal professional.

Both of Zimmermans lawyers appeared shocked as attorney Mark O’Mara
asked under his breath, “what is going on?”

Several legal experts and observers said the outburst was unprecedented.

“I have never seen that in more than 30 years of court reporting,”
tweeted journalist Kathi Belich.

Former Senatorial candidate Richard Rivette also expressed his shock at
the judge’s behavior.

This judge is an idiot. I spent five years investigating high profile
capital cases defending people from the death penalty, and worked for
the Federal judiciary as an independent investigator on other cases. No
judge ever inquires as to whether a defendant will testify until the
entire defense case is presented. If the defense rests and does not call
the defendant then the judge knows there will be no testimony. If the
defense calls the defendant then that’s when the judge finds out. They
have to get through the entire case first. To see if it is valid after
prosecution cross-examines their witnesses and experts as to whether a
defendant SHOULD testify, which is decided in private not in public, and
NOT on the record. “By doing this, the judge has undermined a portion of
Zimmerman’s credibility. He looks like he is waffling and this is normal
judge/defendant questioning, which it is NOT,” said Rivette.

Respondents to the story at the National Review Online also expressed
their view that Zimmerman was being railroaded.

“A fix is in from the administration to find Zimmerman guilty regardless
of what it takes,” commented one.

“By demanding that Zimmerman respond to a question, after she has
assured him that he has the right to remain silent, she is undermining
his right to remain silent and making it appear as though he and his
attorneys are not firm in their convictions. This judge is shameless,”
added another.

Judge Nelson also ruled this week that Trayvon Martin’s text messages,
which showed that Martin had been involved in fights before and was
trying to buy or sell a gun, cannot be shown to the jury, which some
suggested was another indication of an anti-Zimmerman bias.

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Methinks this is what gets him off on appeal.

And the Justice system just keeps rolling on.

The take-away out of this to me is to not walk around with a chip on my shoulder and to avoid confrontations whenever reasonably possible, because people don’t play any more.

Two people went looking for trouble and they both fucking found it.

(Yes, including Trayvon, he was a hot head. Instead of running the fuck away from that creepy ass cracker, decided to confront him. Trayvon should have gotten off the phone with that fat chick and called the cops himself. Problem averted.)

Reminds me of the little sleepy town of Lincoln, NM, literally down the street from me. (Home of Billy the Kid, Pat Garret, and a running gun battle that ended up killing 30 or 40 people.)

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Talking a walk last night I heard a “rumbling” from my neighbors 6 food fence. (Foolishly) I went to see what was going on. It was a teenager. Overweight. Hispanic-looking. Wearing dirty and sweat-soaked clothing. Wearing a wife beater. He had thrown his bike over the fence and jumped over rather than biking around (about 2 additional blocks).

I said, “Hi.”
He said, “Hello” and biked off as fast as he could.

Perhaps, I should have grabbed my gun, followed him, and tried to see what would happen![/quote]

What if he did not get on his bike and rode away, but instead he threw a right hook that broke your nose, and then got on top of you MMA style, ground and pound, would you have pulled your gun and shot him?

Zimmerman as the Neighborhood Watch Leader his job was to investigate. He did and now we are in this situation.[/quote]

If that did happen, it’d be okay. I’d explain how a 160lbs teenager took me down and kicked my ass. I’d have the audio of me screaming like a little girl. I’d have my martial arts instructor come in and tell the world I am an absolute pussy and a “1” on a scale of 1-10.

Fortunately, I know I’d have folks like you who would have my back! :wink:
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A 20 lbs difference isn’t that big of a deal in a hand to hand fight. Especially if the skinnier guy is younger, used to violence/fighting, and has a longer reach.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

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You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose

to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get
killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]

“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Hahahah, You must be new to the Get a Life section, yeah I own a couple. I also carry. Escalating a situation means I believe this guy to be a bad guy. He sees me and runs I leave my car and walk far enough to loose sight of my Vehicle. Yes theis can be perceived to be a chase. Yes I can forsee that if I come back into contact with this guy he may see me as a threat. Yes I can see this because I know I could end a life with a squeeze of my trigger.

[/quote]

question…How did Zimmerman escalate the situation? Did Zimmerman ever lay a finger on Trayvon? All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

Sorry BRO but your homemade laws were never passed.

  1. The Neighborhood watch leader is not a cop. He’s not an investigator. He keeps an eye out, and organizes. The reason being …well this case.
  2. Investigating and stalking are two different things, one is legal in the real world the other isn’t. Stalking is harassing someone. If a cop harasses somebody he will get in trouble also.
    2a) Stalk starts when cops ask you to NOT follow somebody and you continue. The next step is an order of protection.
  3. Your bullshit story of the kid with the bike turning and punching the guy above instead of leaving doesn’t apply. The guy said hello, not followed the kid home staring at him on the phone.
  4. YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

[/quote]

You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose

to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get
killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]

“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Hahahah, You must be new to the Get a Life section, yeah I own a couple. I also carry. Escalating a situation means I believe this guy to be a bad guy. He sees me and runs I leave my car and walk far enough to loose sight of my Vehicle. Yes theis can be perceived to be a chase. Yes I can forsee that if I come back into contact with this guy he may see me as a threat. Yes I can see this because I know I could end a life with a squeeze of my trigger.

[/quote]

question…How did Zimmerman escalate the situation? Did Zimmerman ever lay a finger on Trayvon? All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

Sorry BRO but your homemade laws were never passed.

  1. The Neighborhood watch leader is not a cop. He’s not an investigator. He keeps an eye out, and organizes. The reason being …well this case.
  2. Investigating and stalking are two different things, one is legal in the real world the other isn’t. Stalking is harassing someone. If a cop harasses somebody he will get in trouble also.
    2a) Stalk starts when cops ask you to NOT follow somebody and you continue. The next step is an order of protection.
  3. Your bullshit story of the kid with the bike turning and punching the guy above instead of leaving doesn’t apply. The guy said hello, not followed the kid home staring at him on the phone.
  4. YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.
    [/quote]

A dispatcher is not a cop, and you are not legally obliged to listen to them. Also, Mr. Zimmerman responded “ok”, when the dispatcher said it was NOT NECESSARY to follow Martin (hint: this is not an order). Implying that he was going to do as the dispatcher said.
I suggest you look up the difference between stalking and following.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

[/quote]

You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose

to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get
killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]

“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Hahahah, You must be new to the Get a Life section, yeah I own a couple. I also carry. Escalating a situation means I believe this guy to be a bad guy. He sees me and runs I leave my car and walk far enough to loose sight of my Vehicle. Yes theis can be perceived to be a chase. Yes I can forsee that if I come back into contact with this guy he may see me as a threat. Yes I can see this because I know I could end a life with a squeeze of my trigger.

[/quote]

question…How did Zimmerman escalate the situation? Did Zimmerman ever lay a finger on Trayvon? All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

Sorry BRO but your homemade laws were never passed.

  1. The Neighborhood watch leader is not a cop. He’s not an investigator. He keeps an eye out, and organizes. The reason being …well this case.
  2. Investigating and stalking are two different things, one is legal in the real world the other isn’t. Stalking is harassing someone. If a cop harasses somebody he will get in trouble also.
    2a) Stalk starts when cops ask you to NOT follow somebody and you continue. The next step is an order of protection.
  3. Your bullshit story of the kid with the bike turning and punching the guy above instead of leaving doesn’t apply. The guy said hello, not followed the kid home staring at him on the phone.
  4. YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.
    [/quote]

2a) When did a cop ask him to stop following him?

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

[/quote]

You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose

to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get
killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]

“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Hahahah, You must be new to the Get a Life section, yeah I own a couple. I also carry. Escalating a situation means I believe this guy to be a bad guy. He sees me and runs I leave my car and walk far enough to loose sight of my Vehicle. Yes theis can be perceived to be a chase. Yes I can forsee that if I come back into contact with this guy he may see me as a threat. Yes I can see this because I know I could end a life with a squeeze of my trigger.

[/quote]

question…How did Zimmerman escalate the situation? Did Zimmerman ever lay a finger on Trayvon? All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

Sorry BRO but your homemade laws were never passed.

  1. The Neighborhood watch leader is not a cop. He’s not an investigator. He keeps an eye out, and organizes. The reason being …well this case.
  2. Investigating and stalking are two different things, one is legal in the real world the other isn’t. Stalking is harassing someone. If a cop harasses somebody he will get in trouble also.
    2a) Stalk starts when cops ask you to NOT follow somebody and you continue. The next step is an order of protection.
  3. Your bullshit story of the kid with the bike turning and punching the guy above instead of leaving doesn’t apply. The guy said hello, not followed the kid home staring at him on the phone.
  4. YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.
    [/quote]

A dispatcher is not a cop, and you are not legally obliged to listen to them. Also, Mr. Zimmerman responded “ok”, when the dispatcher said not to follow Martin.
I suggest you look up the difference between stalking and following.
[/quote]

Beat me to it.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

  1. YOU can be privy to all the Trayvon Martin information you want. The only facts you know relating to that day is he went to a store, he was on the phone with his girlfriend, Zimmerman followed him, Zimmerman called the cops, the cops told Zimmerman not to do anything, Zimmerman approached him, Zimmerman killed him. All the other made up shit you and cohorts are saying show how truly racist this country is.
    [/quote]

You just showed your colors, and you are the one who is blinded by color and a racist, and that is your prerogative, but do not put that label on me.

I guess you did not watch the trial, with evidence, and witnesses.

[quote]four60 wrote:
And the Justice system just keeps rolling on.[/quote]

It’s the justice industry now…very different animal.

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
And the Justice system just keeps rolling on.[/quote]

It’s the justice industry now…very different animal.
[/quote]

I agree with both of you guys. No longer ruled by laws, but by politics.

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
A 20 lbs difference isn’t that big of a deal in a hand to hand fight. [/quote]

lol. You sure about that 20lbs thing?
…And I thought it was a 40 lbs difference?

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
And the Justice system just keeps rolling on.[/quote]

It’s the justice industry now…very different animal.
[/quote]

I agree with both of you guys. No longer ruled by laws, but by politics.[/quote]

And politicians are no longer the best and brightest of society… Not that they ever were

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Love Nike wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
So what lesson you all should be learning from this is…[/quote]

being “white” is the new black
calling someone a “creepy ass cracker” is perfectly acceptable
having your nails did for court is more important than being able to speak or read
if you’re dead son becomes famous, trade mark his name and make that paper
avoid everything in florida that isnt a beach, or Gatorland. [/quote]

Not sure when Cracker became a curse? I mean hell Ritz Crackers, Cracker barrel, soup and Crackers. Is it really something you convict a person for if so then Ritz owes some white dudes a lot of cash.

But the fat chick was a sad display. [/quote]

Why are you denying that it is a racial slur?

Do you think it is okay to call folks Kike or WOP? [/quote]

Was it meant as a Racial Slur by Martin to the chick on the phone, Sure, but would it have been worse or better if he said Motherfucker?

I don’t even care if Zimmerman called Martin a Niger, his actions are what fucked him up that night not his vocabulary.

Now back to the Cracker word, come on in the realm of “slurs” that is pretty weak. I mean call me when they have Kike or Wop Barrel stores
[/quote]

are you seriously taking that stance, or is that sarcasm and I missed it?

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Stew wrote:
12 Jul 2013

Judge In Zimmerman Case Pressured by Obama Administration?

Bizarre outburst by Judge Nelson against Zimmerman suggests Prejudice.

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones

July 11, 2013

Speculation is raging that the judge in the George Zimmerman case could
have been put under pressure by the Obama administration after she
staged a bizarre outburst during which she interrogated Zimmerman while
repeatedly silencing his lawyers.

The hostile exchange began when Judge Debra Nelson asked Zimmerman if he
planned to testify.

Essentially, Judge Nelson told Zimmerman he had the ?absolute right to
remain silent but then proceeded to demand he answer her questions
interrogation-style while silencing his lawyers.

Defense attorney Don West twice objected to Nelsons interrogation,
prompting the judge to raised her voice and exclaim, “Your objection is
overruled!” in a manner more befitting of an angry parent lecturing a
child than a legal professional.

Both of Zimmermans lawyers appeared shocked as attorney Mark O’Mara
asked under his breath, “what is going on?”

Several legal experts and observers said the outburst was unprecedented.

“I have never seen that in more than 30 years of court reporting,”
tweeted journalist Kathi Belich.

Former Senatorial candidate Richard Rivette also expressed his shock at
the judge’s behavior.

This judge is an idiot. I spent five years investigating high profile
capital cases defending people from the death penalty, and worked for
the Federal judiciary as an independent investigator on other cases. No
judge ever inquires as to whether a defendant will testify until the
entire defense case is presented. If the defense rests and does not call
the defendant then the judge knows there will be no testimony. If the
defense calls the defendant then that’s when the judge finds out. They
have to get through the entire case first. To see if it is valid after
prosecution cross-examines their witnesses and experts as to whether a
defendant SHOULD testify, which is decided in private not in public, and
NOT on the record. “By doing this, the judge has undermined a portion of
Zimmerman’s credibility. He looks like he is waffling and this is normal
judge/defendant questioning, which it is NOT,” said Rivette.

Respondents to the story at the National Review Online also expressed
their view that Zimmerman was being railroaded.

“A fix is in from the administration to find Zimmerman guilty regardless
of what it takes,” commented one.

“By demanding that Zimmerman respond to a question, after she has
assured him that he has the right to remain silent, she is undermining
his right to remain silent and making it appear as though he and his
attorneys are not firm in their convictions. This judge is shameless,”
added another.

Judge Nelson also ruled this week that Trayvon Martin’s text messages,
which showed that Martin had been involved in fights before and was
trying to buy or sell a gun, cannot be shown to the jury, which some
suggested was another indication of an anti-Zimmerman bias.

[/quote]

Methinks this is what gets him off on appeal.
[/quote]

agreed. I was amazed that nobody addressed this at all. if it is true, this is a travesty

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Love Nike wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
So what lesson you all should be learning from this is…[/quote]

being “white” is the new black
calling someone a “creepy ass cracker” is perfectly acceptable
having your nails did for court is more important than being able to speak or read
if you’re dead son becomes famous, trade mark his name and make that paper
avoid everything in florida that isnt a beach, or Gatorland. [/quote]
Not sure when Cracker became a curse? I mean hell Ritz Crackers, Cracker barrel, soup and Crackers. Is it really something you convict a person for if so then Ritz owes some white dudes a lot of cash.

But the fat chick was a sad display. [/quote]

Why are you denying that it is a racial slur?
Do you think it is okay to call folks Kike or WOP? [/quote]

Was it meant as a Racial Slur by Martin to the chick on the phone, Sure, but would it have been worse or better if he said Motherfucker?

I don’t even care if Zimmerman called Martin a Niger, his actions are what fucked him up that night not his vocabulary.

Now back to the Cracker word, come on in the realm of “slurs” that is pretty weak. I mean call me when they have Kike or Wop Barrel stores
[/quote]

are you seriously taking that stance, or is that sarcasm and I missed it?
[/quote]

Trying to type with my phone is pissing me off…

Now to your question. What did you think I meant. I thought it was an honest answer to her question.

(had to re-type)

,^ now I missed that completely