Trayvon Martin Trial

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Reading over that it looks like at best you could say he was negligent which according to that, means he is not guilty of either manslaughter or murder 2. It really baffles me as to how murder 2 ever even made it to trial. [/quote]

I am going to be brutally honest. 2nd degree Murder was wanted by the Civil Rights leaders and the Black Community.

Get ready if Zimmerman is acquitted the DOJ under Holder will go after Zimmerman Civilly for Violating Trayvon’s Civil Rights. I guess this country cares more about a “White-Hispanic” killing a black man than a Black man killing another Black Man. No man should ever kill another man. I am not naive enough to think it does not happen.

This has gotten way too out of hand. We have been pitted against each other based on the color of our skin and our socio-economic status. This is not America any more. We are all suppose to come together to fix this crap, but there is no forgiveness any where. It just keeps escalating. “You whities will pay, and you rich people will pay.” “You blacks are lazy and do nothing.” What has happened to this Great Country of ours? What happened to us working together?[/quote]

It’s always been like that. You are naive if you ever thought it was ever great. Hell, even the north and the south fought it out. Democrat versus republican, conservative versus liberal, etc etc. Too many fucking labels cause people to group up with one side or the other, and breeds an “us versus them” mentality.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

[/quote]

You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

[/quote]

You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]

“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Reading over that it looks like at best you could say he was negligent which according to that, means he is not guilty of either manslaughter or murder 2. It really baffles me as to how murder 2 ever even made it to trial. [/quote]

I am going to be brutally honest. 2nd degree Murder was wanted by the Civil Rights leaders and the Black Community.

Get ready if Zimmerman is acquitted the DOJ under Holder will go after Zimmerman Civilly for Violating Trayvon’s Civil Rights. I guess this country cares more about a “White-Hispanic” killing a black man than a Black man killing another Black Man. No man should ever kill another man. I am not naive enough to think it does not happen.

This has gotten way too out of hand. We have been pitted against each other based on the color of our skin and our socio-economic status. This is not America any more. We are all suppose to come together to fix this crap, but there is no forgiveness any where. It just keeps escalating. “You whities will pay, and you rich people will pay.” “You blacks are lazy and do nothing.” What has happened to this Great Country of ours? What happened to us working together?[/quote]

It’s always been like that. You are naive if you ever thought it was ever great. Hell, even the north and the south fought it out. Democrat versus republican, conservative versus liberal, etc etc. Too many fucking labels cause people to group up with one side or the other, and breeds an “us versus them” mentality.[/quote]

Why can that not change? I guess because we are nothing more than selfish.

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Talking a walk last night I heard a “rumbling” from my neighbors 6 food fence. (Foolishly) I went to see what was going on. It was a teenager. Overweight. Hispanic-looking. Wearing dirty and sweat-soaked clothing. Wearing a wife beater. He had thrown his bike over the fence and jumped over rather than biking around (about 2 additional blocks).

I said, “Hi.”
He said, “Hello” and biked off as fast as he could.

Perhaps, I should have grabbed my gun, followed him, and tried to see what would happen!

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

[/quote]

You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose

to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get
killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]

“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Hahahah, You must be new to the Get a Life section, yeah I own a couple. I also carry. Escalating a situation means I believe this guy to be a bad guy. He sees me and runs I leave my car and walk far enough to loose sight of my Vehicle. Yes theis can be perceived to be a chase. Yes I can forsee that if I come back into contact with this guy he may see me as a threat. Yes I can see this because I know I could end a life with a squeeze of my trigger.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Lol. He does, but he prefers to do his killing silently with a knife.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Reading over that it looks like at best you could say he was negligent which according to that, means he is not guilty of either manslaughter or murder 2. It really baffles me as to how murder 2 ever even made it to trial. [/quote]

I am going to be brutally honest. 2nd degree Murder was wanted by the Civil Rights leaders and the Black Community.

Get ready if Zimmerman is acquitted the DOJ under Holder will go after Zimmerman Civilly for Violating Trayvon’s Civil Rights. I guess this country cares more about a “White-Hispanic” killing a black man than a Black man killing another Black Man. No man should ever kill another man. I am not naive enough to think it does not happen.

This has gotten way too out of hand. We have been pitted against each other based on the color of our skin and our socio-economic status. This is not America any more. We are all suppose to come together to fix this crap, but there is no forgiveness any where. It just keeps escalating. “You whities will pay, and you rich people will pay.” “You blacks are lazy and do nothing.” What has happened to this Great Country of ours? What happened to us working together?[/quote]

It’s always been like that. You are naive if you ever thought it was ever great. Hell, even the north and the south fought it out. Democrat versus republican, conservative versus liberal, etc etc. Too many fucking labels cause people to group up with one side or the other, and breeds an “us versus them” mentality.[/quote]

Why can that not change? I guess because we are nothing more than selfish.[/quote]

How? When a doctrine or way of thinking has been in engrained in you from an early age, social network or vivid experience, how do you change that?
A lot of people correlate their profession with who they are.
“What do you do?”
-I’m an artist.

So now this person identifies themselves not as John or Jane or whoever, but as an artist. They’re creative, spiritual, vivid, subjective, etc etc. It is a part of who they are. The same is said for political, religious and philosophical views.
Also, who would change what? It’s an uphill battle that will end in a collapse. At which point the cycle starts anew. It can’t change because no one wants to change who they are.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Lol. He does, but he prefers to do his killing silently with a knife.
[/quote]

Hahahaha, I love that you remember I collect knives also. Damn I miss the old gang.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Reading over that it looks like at best you could say he was negligent which according to that, means he is not guilty of either manslaughter or murder 2. It really baffles me as to how murder 2 ever even made it to trial. [/quote]

I am going to be brutally honest. 2nd degree Murder was wanted by the Civil Rights leaders and the Black Community.

Get ready if Zimmerman is acquitted the DOJ under Holder will go after Zimmerman Civilly for Violating Trayvon’s Civil Rights. I guess this country cares more about a “White-Hispanic” killing a black man than a Black man killing another Black Man. No man should ever kill another man. I am not naive enough to think it does not happen.

This has gotten way too out of hand. We have been pitted against each other based on the color of our skin and our socio-economic status. This is not America any more. We are all suppose to come together to fix this crap, but there is no forgiveness any where. It just keeps escalating. “You whities will pay, and you rich people will pay.” “You blacks are lazy and do nothing.” What has happened to this Great Country of ours? What happened to us working together?[/quote]

It’s always been like that. You are naive if you ever thought it was ever great. Hell, even the north and the south fought it out. Democrat versus republican, conservative versus liberal, etc etc. Too many fucking labels cause people to group up with one side or the other, and breeds an “us versus them” mentality.[/quote]

Why can that not change? I guess because we are nothing more than selfish.[/quote]

How? When a doctrine or way of thinking has been in engrained in you from an early age, social network or vivid experience, how do you change that?
A lot of people correlate their profession with who they are.
“What do you do?”
-I’m an artist.

So now this person identifies themselves not as John or Jane or whoever, but as an artist. They’re creative, spiritual, vivid, subjective, etc etc. It is a part of who they are. The same is said for political, religious and philosophical views.
Also, who would change what? It’s an uphill battle that will end in a collapse. At which point the cycle starts anew. It can’t change because no one wants to change who they are. [/quote]

People in charge make there living based on the dis-function; there is no money to be made by correcting the system. There are a very limited number of people that make policy/law/regulation in this country; the idea that things are not exactly the way they want them has always seemed foolish to me.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Talking a walk last night I heard a “rumbling” from my neighbors 6 food fence. (Foolishly) I went to see what was going on. It was a teenager. Overweight. Hispanic-looking. Wearing dirty and sweat-soaked clothing. Wearing a wife beater. He had thrown his bike over the fence and jumped over rather than biking around (about 2 additional blocks).

I said, “Hi.”
He said, “Hello” and biked off as fast as he could.

Perhaps, I should have grabbed my gun, followed him, and tried to see what would happen![/quote]

What if he did not get on his bike and rode away, but instead he threw a right hook that broke your nose, and then got on top of you MMA style, ground and pound, would you have pulled your gun and shot him?

Zimmerman as the Neighborhood Watch Leader his job was to investigate. He did and now we are in this situation.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Make no mistake I do think Zimmerman shot him because he was scared his ass was on the line. But he went out of his way to escalate a situation he knew could end bad.

[/quote]

You first sentence is what makes it Self Defense and he is innocent.

The second sentence is not true. Zimmerman did not go out of his way to kill Trayvon. Zimmerman is head of the neighborhood watch. They are suppose

to go check out stuff if something is happening in that gated community. How did Trayvon get into that gated community? Did he hop a fence, or walk in behind a car that just went through the gate? Is that Tresspassing? These are questions we will never know. I am not saying Trayvon went looking to get
killed, but he did feel like he was disrespected and he was going to make Mr. Zimmerman pay. Trayvon’s history of fighting was not allowed in court, but
you and I were privy to that information. Trayvon does not run he fights.

If Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun do you think he would have tried to beat him up or run? Trayvon made Zimmerman use that gun. Just like if someone breaks into my house, they don’t know I have a shotgun, but they will meet a 12 gauge shotgun blast to the face. [/quote]

?? What?? When did I say Zimmerman went out of his way to Kill. I said he went out of his way to escalate the situation Knowing he could kill. They both could have done things that could have not lead to this. But Zimmerman is the one on trial and yes I do think this should have went to court. And no I don’t think Martin Made Zimmerman use his gun I do think Zimmerman was scared and used it.[/quote]

“he escalated a situation he knew would end bad.” End Bad came across as kill or someone dead. Zimmerman did not know it would end bad. Having a gun in self defense is just that. Self Defense. Not a hey man I have a gun and I am looking to kill someone tonight. You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Hahahah, You must be new to the Get a Life section, yeah I own a couple. I also carry. Escalating a situation means I believe this guy to be a bad guy. He sees me and runs I leave my car and walk far enough to loose sight of my Vehicle. Yes theis can be perceived to be a chase. Yes I can forsee that if I come back into contact with this guy he may see me as a threat. Yes I can see this because I know I could end a life with a squeeze of my trigger.

[/quote]

question…How did Zimmerman escalate the situation? Did Zimmerman ever lay a finger on Trayvon? All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

And you know this how?

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Lol. He does, but he prefers to do his killing silently with a knife.
[/quote]

Hahahaha, I love that you remember I collect knives also. Damn I miss the old gang.[/quote]

come on over, you know where we are.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Talking a walk last night I heard a “rumbling” from my neighbors 6 food fence. (Foolishly) I went to see what was going on. It was a teenager. Overweight. Hispanic-looking. Wearing dirty and sweat-soaked clothing. Wearing a wife beater. He had thrown his bike over the fence and jumped over rather than biking around (about 2 additional blocks).

I said, “Hi.”
He said, “Hello” and biked off as fast as he could.

Perhaps, I should have grabbed my gun, followed him, and tried to see what would happen![/quote]

What if he did not get on his bike and rode away, but instead he threw a right hook that broke your nose, and then got on top of you MMA style, ground and pound, would you have pulled your gun and shot him?

Zimmerman as the Neighborhood Watch Leader his job was to investigate. He did and now we are in this situation.[/quote]

If that did happen, it’d be okay. I’d explain how a 160lbs teenager took me down and kicked my ass. I’d have the audio of me screaming like a little girl. I’d have my martial arts instructor come in and tell the world I am an absolute pussy and a “1” on a scale of 1-10.

Fortunately, I know I’d have folks like you who would have my back! :wink:

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Hahahahah ahhhhh it’s funny cause it’s true :slight_smile:

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

And you know this how?[/quote]

People keep saying things that even the Watch Crew Zimmerman was apart of (not captain of) do not say. No they are not Supose to go off alone to investigate.

And what is Zimmerman, Gandi? The only way Zimmerman never laid a finger in tray would be If Tray knocked him on his ass and Zimmerman fell hit his head got scared and shot (this is from your comment about Zimmerman not touching Martin)

But people heard a struggle so both parties did some finger laying

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

And you know this how?[/quote]

People keep saying things that even the Watch Crew Zimmerman was apart of (not captain of) do not say. No they are not Supose to go off alone to investigate.

And what is Zimmerman, Gandi? The only way Zimmerman never laid a finger in tray would be If Tray knocked him on his ass and Zimmerman fell hit his head got scared and shot (this is from your comment about Zimmerman not touching Martin)

But people heard a struggle so both parties did some finger laying[/quote]

The only ones that testified said Trayvon was on top of him MMA style Ground and Pound. The witnesses were for the Prosecution not the Defense.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You don’t own a gun do you?[/quote]

Lol. He does, but he prefers to do his killing silently with a knife.
[/quote]

Hahahaha, I love that you remember I collect knives also. Damn I miss the old gang.[/quote]

come on over, you know where we are.
[/quote]

People keep telling me that. My net skills suck. Ok, I’ll keep trying

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
All he did was go to investigate, as Neighborhood Watch Leader he was suppose to do.
[/quote]

And you know this how?[/quote]

People keep saying things that even the Watch Crew Zimmerman was apart of (not captain of) do not say. No they are not Supose to go off alone to investigate.

And what is Zimmerman, Gandi? The only way Zimmerman never laid a finger in tray would be If Tray knocked him on his ass and Zimmerman fell hit his head got scared and shot (this is from your comment about Zimmerman not touching Martin)

But people heard a struggle so both parties did some finger laying[/quote]

The only ones that testified said Trayvon was on top of him MMA style Ground and Pound. The witnesses were for the Prosecution not the Defense.
[/quote]

So. That proves nothing in your “Zimmerman never laid a hand on” statement. All that may prove is that in a fight he was losing.