Trayvon Martin Pt. 3.. The Legacy Pt. 2

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-says-arrested-150-three-days-child-prostitution-154521080.html

Slavery doesnt exist.

These kids is just hoez.

They were getting something out of it themselves, as most hoez do.

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What does child prostitution have to do with Pimps and Ho’s being labeled as “slave owner and slave”?[/quote]

Nothing apparently, because this is clearly far from any form of slavery.
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You are saying child prostitution and a legal aged woman having a pimp are the same thing?[/quote]

I am showing you slavery. You have a difficult time with these things it would seem. [/quote]

Uhm, you showed me CHILD PROSTITUTION…when the discussion was about one poster saying that the “pimp/ho” relationship is a slave/slave-owner relationship.

It isn’t.

Showing CHILD PROSTITUTION does not show how a “pimp-ho” is a “slave-slaveowner”.

A child is a not a legal adult.

No one is questioning whether CHILD PROSTITUTION may fall into that category.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

No, my ladyboy is post-op. I made it do it. [/quote]

Of course. You had enough of being a butthurt cocksucker.

But don’t worry; you still look like it.

LOL, fucking lol, at some fucker comparing '‘pimping’ to what Black Americans had endured for centuries. Not only were people of African descent in the Amerikkka killed at will without recourse, they were beat, tortured, women were raped, families torn apart, babies killed at birth, sold without regard, families lynched and burnt, people denied to be educated or married, and not even seen as completely human. This went on for CENTURIES. So I want to understand how someone can attempt to downplay this and, compare it to ‘‘pimping’’.

Fucking smoke screen tactics used to downplay the painful history of slavery, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, Redlining, etc because they think that Black people are only where they are because of their ‘‘innate inferiority’’ and, not historical/present circumstances.

And for the record, knowing your history does not = using slavery as an excuse to waste your present life away/blame other people. Yes, the blacks ancestors worked hard so that their descendants would not need to experience the hell on earth they experienced. But I doubt they would want their descendants to forget about their struggle, their pain, their toil, and their tenacity to survive in a system that did not even recognize their humanity either.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

So I want to understand how someone can attempt to downplay this and, compare it to ‘‘pimping’’.
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Not just compare it. They are literally claiming that because I don’t see it as slavery that this means I condone it…and that the black race as a whole “embraces” it…but whites as a whole do not embrace it…even though there are white pimps.

The have not explained this.

They just start throwing personal insults instead.

Prostitution is not illegal everywhere so where it is legal, and regulated, would we consider those prostitutes, slaves?

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Prostitution is not illegal everywhere so where it is legal, and regulated, would we consider those prostitutes, slaves? [/quote]

It sounds like a sound bite they heard off a talk radio station.

Last I checked, being a ho didn’t keep you from voting…or buying your own property…or doing anything else you wanted to do.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-says-arrested-150-three-days-child-prostitution-154521080.html

Slavery doesnt exist.

These kids is just hoez.

They were getting something out of it themselves, as most hoez do.

[/quote]

What does child prostitution have to do with Pimps and Ho’s being labeled as “slave owner and slave”?[/quote]

Nothing apparently, because this is clearly far from any form of slavery.
[/quote]

You are saying child prostitution and a legal aged woman having a pimp are the same thing?[/quote]

I am showing you slavery. You have a difficult time with these things it would seem. [/quote]

Uhm, you showed me CHILD PROSTITUTION…when the discussion was about one poster saying that the “pimp/ho” relationship is a slave/slave-owner relationship.

It isn’t.

Showing CHILD PROSTITUTION does not show how a “pimp-ho” is a “slave-slaveowner”.

A child is a not a legal adult.

No one is questioning whether CHILD PROSTITUTION may fall into that category.[/quote]

You dont think that the ones who dont get rescued by the FBI dont grow up to be legal adults, still stuck in a pimp/ho relationship, and that it isnt essentially slavery?

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

No, my ladyboy is post-op. I made it do it. [/quote]

Of course. You had enough of being a butthurt cocksucker.

But don’t worry; you still look like it.[/quote]

Please, mine is Asian. It couldnt have butt-hurt me if it wanted to.

Now your’s is a dick that could do some scary things im sure.

Oops, I’m stereotyping aren’t I?

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Prostitution is not illegal everywhere so where it is legal, and regulated, would we consider those prostitutes, slaves? [/quote]

Will one of you please show me where someone stated that ALL pimping was akin to slave-owning?

Do some research into modern day sex slavery, hell its easy to catch a special on MSNBC. There is no doubt that sex slavery exists and that it is a miserable and devastating existence that certainly has its victims. Its not comparable to any form of legalized prostitution.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Prostitution is not illegal everywhere so where it is legal, and regulated, would we consider those prostitutes, slaves? [/quote]

It sounds like a sound bite they heard off a talk radio station.

Last I checked, being a ho didn’t keep you from voting…or buying your own property…or doing anything else you wanted to do.

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If you’re an illegal immigrant forced into sex slavery/prostitution, (which many of them are) then it most certainly can.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

The end result of pimping is ownership of someone else. [/quote]

If you say so.

I have personally seen that this relationship involves people from dysfunctional backgrounds…so the “ho” is often looking for a father figure and the “status” that comes from associating with that person. The “pimp” also gets status based on how his girls looks and acts and acts as protection and basically “manager” for the “ho”.

If you only see “slave” in that, I don’t know what to tell you.[/quote]

What is your point, X? Even if I were to concede the point and say that SOME hoes are not slaves (a point which I am NOT conceding) what is your point here? Are you trying to say that pimps are actually good for prostitutes? That there is actually a benefit to being locked into an abusive relationship with someone who takes advantage of your pussy? Are you saying that this sort of behavior is something that doesn’t deserve to be vilified, that it’s actually okay to glorify this sort of thing?[/quote]

Uh, my point is simply that it is not a SLAVE to be a HO. I am not sure what you do when people don’t agree with you, but it seems you jump to massive assumptions.

If the people engaged in the act don’t agree with you on that concept, why do you think your OPINION holds true for all?[/quote]

Again, you’re avoiding the actual issue at hand here. Do you think it reeks of ignorance, hypocrisy, or both for large swaths of the black community, especially hip-hop artists, to glorify pimping? I suppose not ALL pimps are running actual slaves, but the fact is that many, many pimps ARE running outright slaves. By slaves, I mean people who are forcibly taken from their homes, sold to someone (usually the pimp in question) and then forced into sexual slavery under threat of death, further subjugated by the forced use of drugs and generally treated like a piece of property. So, given this basic fact about pimping, not all pimping but a very significant amount of it, do you think there is some hypocrisy or ignorance on the part of blacks who bemoan racism and the history of slavery in this country and then turn around and literally glorify an illegal profession in which many of the pimps’ hoes are literal slaves and many others are for all intents and purposes treated like slaves or something a small step above slaves? Where do you stand on the actual issue of glorifying pimping? Do you see this as a problem within the black community?

And don’t give me this bullshit about other races and all that fucking nonsense. We aren’t talking about other races here. What other races, ethnicities, nationalities or any other demographic thinks or does is immaterial here. I’ve already acknowledged that we’re ALL a part of the same hypocrisy, but given the outrage that comes from the black community on the issue of racism, and given that the black community is the only one that was enslaved in this country AND is glorifying actions that in many instances are nothing more than keeping slaves, the burden of addressing this hypocrisy is present, needs to be addressed and SHOULD be addressed. So, what is your take on the issue of glorifying pimping?

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

LOL, fucking lol, at some fucker comparing '‘pimping’ to what Black Americans had endured for centuries. Not only were people of African descent in the Amerikkka killed at will without recourse, they were beat, tortured, women were raped, families torn apart, babies killed at birth, sold without regard, families lynched and burnt, people denied to be educated or married, and not even seen as completely human. This went on for CENTURIES. So I want to understand how someone can attempt to downplay this and, compare it to ‘‘pimping’’.

Fucking smoke screen tactics used to downplay the painful history of slavery, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, Redlining, etc because they think that Black people are only where they are because of their ‘‘innate inferiority’’ and, not historical/present circumstances.

And for the record, knowing your history does not = using slavery as an excuse to waste your present life away/blame other people. Yes, the blacks ancestors worked hard so that their descendants would not need to experience the hell on earth they experienced. But I doubt they would want their descendants to forget about their struggle, their pain, their toil, and their tenacity to survive in a system that did not even recognize their humanity either.

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This went on for centuries in america, it went on for millennia throughout the history of world. Hell, white men wiped out entire civilizations and races by the millions throughout the 15th and 16th centuries alone. Where are all the mass media frenzies and riots whenever a white man kills someone of native american decent? Or when a German kills a Jew? Why is this any different?

we need the amber lamps for the butthurt in this thread

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Thats fing nonsense if women or men want to do porn its their biz. You right wing turds are so uptight when it comes to ass. As long as people are willing to pay for it or look at it, its just capitalism. Keep your christian values out of the economy. Those women sign waivers anyhow so its not like they are forced.[/quote]

Thanks for your irrelevant opinion.

P.S. If I’m uptight about ass, why do studies routinely show that conservative traditionally married religious folks (especially Catholics) have more and better sex than any demographic in the world.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Porn = legalized prostitution. Goes further into DB Cooper’s point.
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Whose point? Excuse me, but I’ve been skimming that bitch’s posts so I have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. Legalized prostitution? What has it got to do with me? What has it got to do with TM’s trial or white privelege or a racist justice system?

You’ve just barged in here to tell me, that selling a sex toy and a fetish websites is legalized prostitution, uh? Well, thank you for the enlightenment, dear brother. Now let me go play with my millions.

And since you want to bring porn into the discussion, I wouldn’t be surprised that you check out that shit yourself. As a priest, (you’re a priest, right?) don’t think your shit don’t stink either. We’ve been proved many a times what a bunch of fucking ‘‘saints’’ the lot of you are. So please, people spare me with the all self-righteous bullshit and go suck – forgive me, Brother,-- DB Cooper’s balls.
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Aww, the great tolerant mind. Someone disagrees with you and you attack their character instead of their argument.

No, I am not a priest. And, before you go on and waste your breath about how self-righteous I am…Let me introduce myself, my name is Chris and I am the chief of sinners. I don’t pretend I am self-righteous. That doesn’t mean I can’t point out when someone’s actions are wrong and try and help the person do good. That doesn’t mean I hate you either. The reason why I pointed out the wrongness is not because I hate you but because I love my neighbor as myself. If i did something wrong I would want someone to point it out and help me do it right. Sorry if I offended you.

Yes, I have looked at porn, that doesn’t mean it was not wrong when I did it. Doesn’t mean it is not wrong in general.

DB Cooper’s point was about slavery and he was pointing out that culture accepts and even glorifies slavery. He drew out that prostitution is a form of slavery, and I drew out that porn is a form of prostitution. I wasn’t attacking you, so you don’t have to attack me as a person (but, I understand why you would as a society we have a difficult time separating our person from our actions).

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Thats fing nonsense if women or men want to do porn its their biz. You right wing turds are so uptight when it comes to ass. As long as people are willing to pay for it or look at it, its just capitalism. Keep your christian values out of the economy. Those women sign waivers anyhow so its not like they are forced.[/quote]

Those bastards look at that shit, wank to it, spill their jizz on their pc screens, and, once the urge is fucking gone, kneel and flagellate themselves, while imploring something out there to forgive them for busting a nut over a carnal video. Later on, they have the fucking audacity to play the self-righteous cunts before their communities and to whoever wants to listen to them.

Fuck’em. [/quote]

Yes, simplification and emotionalism. Your argument has it in abundance.

How do these threads always end up this way? Nobody is even discussing the original topic anymore. Most here are just trying to find things to argue about at this point. All I have to add is: DN, I agree with you that it is a bit absurd that some here are trying to compare slavery to “pimping”, whatever that means. The atrocities that have resulted from a “manifest destiny” approach over the centuries are horrendous. Some of the things that fell upon slaves are in no way comparable to “pimping”. That’s ludicrous.

But, really, some here seem to be acting like Africans are the only race to ever have received such treatment. I can’t think of a skin color that hasn’t endured slavery at some point or another. People here need to stop seeing the hardships that we have endured as what separates us, but what brings us together. I also have to say: DN, I don’t understand why you have so much hate for the United States.

I know that, historically, Americans have really taken the low road at some times, but haven’t most countries at one point or another? You seem to harbor a lot of ill will towards the U.S., and I don’t feel like it’s justified. Also, X, keep up the good fight. You’re bound to change peoples’ minds eventually if you argue with them enough.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Aww, the great tolerant mind. Someone disagrees with you and you attack their character instead of their argument. [/quote]

Yeah, that’s how I roll, Brother.

You got me figured me out. I don’t have a cookie for you, sadly.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
No, I am not a priest. And, before you go on and waste your breath about how self-righteous I am…Let me introduce myself, my name is Chris and I am the chief of sinners. I don’t pretend I am self-righteous. That doesn’t mean I can’t point out when someone’s actions are wrong and try and help the person do good. That doesn’t mean I hate you either. The reason why I pointed out the wrongness is not because I hate you but because I love my neighbor as myself. If i did something wrong I would want someone to point it out and help me do it right. Sorry if I offended you. [/quote]

I never thought you hated me(hate is a strong word anyway). I don’t care what you feel and think about me. I don’t know you. You barged into a conversation between two people who don’t like each other and, brought up some random point that had to do with the type of business I deal with. You didn’t see this as an attack?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
DB Cooper’s point was about slavery and he was pointing out that culture accepts and even glorifies slavery. He drew out that prostitution is a form of slavery, and I drew out that porn is a form of prostitution. I wasn’t attacking you, so you don’t have to attack me as a person (but, I understand why you would as a society we have a difficult time separating our person from our actions).[/quote]

Well, you could have explained it that way rather than using a one liner, especially since I asked what your point was about. Then, perhaps, we could have had a civilized conversation.

I don’t read DBbitch’s long winded posts. I see a few word in his first line as I skip and that’s it. So I had no idea what the fuck you guys were fucking talking about.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Thats fing nonsense if women or men want to do porn its their biz. You right wing turds are so uptight when it comes to ass. As long as people are willing to pay for it or look at it, its just capitalism. Keep your christian values out of the economy. Those women sign waivers anyhow so its not like they are forced.[/quote]

Thanks for your irrelevant opinion.

P.S. If I’m uptight about ass, why do studies routinely show that conservative traditionally married religious folks (especially Catholics) have more and better sex than any demographic in the world. [/quote]

Ah come on now. His opinion is irrelevant but YOURS IS?

And you say you ain’t self-righteous?

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
we need the amber lamps for the butthurt in this thread[/quote]

You’re right. Here’s one for you to start with.