Trayvon Martin Pt. 3.. The Legacy Pt. 2

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

if 1/100 black guys are not promoted because they are black than 99% of the time race isn’t an issue. Every person I’ve talked to in real life agrees with this.
[/quote]

Uh, what if 100/100 black guys are not promoted?

Has this ever happened?[/quote]

Where in the United States of America are 100% of black people being passed over for promotion because they are black? [/quote]

You mean before 1990 and how that could have lasting effects in a community today?
[/quote]

Well that is 20 years of cahnge. So a large % of working age people shouldn’t be having this issue. Yes there certainly were lasting effects. The same is true for women.

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[quote]Myosin wrote:
The thread has predictably turned into a group of guys who happen to be in the majority trying to show how they are not bias and if they are they have good reason to be and thus justify their bias with stats and random personal experiences. [/quote]

Both sides are doing as you describe here. Telling you don’t notice that.

Awful telling, lol. Because yes, all white people have a hive mind super whitey power mind connection were we can all feel and think the same way at all times. And you just so happen to know it is the “all hail whitey, he is king” thought that connects all white minds in the world.

Good job here man, just great.

Otherwise known as: you have to play the game to change the game.

And your post doesn’t even accomplish what you are deriding others for…

How… telling…

[quote]
Man, I really hope that does not happen, things are pretty cool as they are, no need to share more of this beautiful skyway.[/quote]

lol at stereotyping after complaining about other’s doing it. Twice now.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

if 1/100 black guys are not promoted because they are black than 99% of the time race isn’t an issue. Every person I’ve talked to in real life agrees with this.
[/quote]

Uh, what if 100/100 black guys are not promoted?

Has this ever happened?[/quote]

Where in the United States of America are 100% of black people being passed over for promotion because they are black? [/quote]

You mean before 1990 and how that could have lasting effects in a community today?
[/quote]

Well that is 20 years of cahnge. So a large % of working age people shouldn’t be having this issue. Yes there certainly were lasting effects. The same is true for women. [/quote]

Yes, it is 20 years of change, but to think it is now a NON ISSUE is a little off.

AA was inacted in the 90’s in part because of this. Your perspective sees that time frame as enough to effectively change all of society to make it a nonissue…yet we see people using 20 year old Tupac pictures to show proof of “black thugs”.

Strange, no?

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

How do you know that ain’t happening?[/quote]

How do you know it is?

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I grew up on a literal Indian reservation.

Periodically, I’d fall into the white-man-took-our-land-and ruined-our-culture mindset so pushed by the government and outside special interest folks who came and “helped” on the reservation.

My step-father would have none of this. He gave me a book by Booker T. Washington, a man born into slavery. Booker had a white father that had no role in his life, much like my biological father (whom I’ve never even met or spoken to). I really identified with Mr. Washington. Even though I didn’t necessarily agree with everything he said, I really could tell from where he was coming.

He gave some basic strategies to survive and prosper as a minority in the USA, which have clearly been forgotten by the black community at large.

My favorite quote from him is:

“I’m afraid there is a certain class of race problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”

Regarding dress . . . . well, clothes don’t make the man, but they do make a statement about what kind of man the man wants to be.

If you dress like a cholo (and that’s the thug life dress code in these parts), people will think you are a cholo, or want to be a cholo, and treat you like a cholo.

BTW, Black gangs picked up the cholo dress code in the 1980s as part of gang life. (Cholos have been doing the low-rider pants, wife beaters, and banddannas since the 1930s. It’s not even black culture — borrowed from cholo gangs.)

Well, as an Indian — or Native American, if you prefer — I’m not a fan of cholos. They are gang-member losers and give us a bad name.

I’m not going to dress to identify with the lowest common denominator of people who happen to share my genetics.

If blacks want to identify with the lowest common denominator of their people — heck, not even their people, but cholos ---- well they’re stupid.[/quote]

BOOM.

If there was a single comment in this whole thread that deserved a “/thread,” this is it.

Unfortunately it wasnt written in crayola so will likely be ignored or twisted in some ridiculously retarded way that makes no logical sense. [/quote]

Thank you.

You are right; it will be ignored by the professional victims.

I’ve lived with their equivalent my whole life. There is no point wasting time with them.[/quote]

And as evidenced, it pretty much did go completely ignored, most likely because anyone who would disagree has no proper rebuttal.

For what its worth, im “wasting time with them” purely for entertainment value, they made it clear that their ignorance was unwavering a long time ago. [/quote]

I was making fun of this thread to my dad (my real dad, my step-dad who raised me) just now at lunch, and he pointed out that my great-great-grandfather was a buffalo soldier by the name of Thomas Shaw, so I am like 1/32 aggrieved African American.

I so need to get on the victim bandwagon. Maybe get a hoodie.

On second thought, I’ll just go to work and earn money.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

if 1/100 black guys are not promoted because they are black than 99% of the time race isn’t an issue. Every person I’ve talked to in real life agrees with this.
[/quote]

Uh, what if 100/100 black guys are not promoted?

Has this ever happened?[/quote]

Where in the United States of America are 100% of black people being passed over for promotion because they are black? [/quote]

You mean before 1990 and how that could have lasting effects in a community today?
[/quote]

Well that is 20 years of cahnge. So a large % of working age people shouldn’t be having this issue. Yes there certainly were lasting effects. The same is true for women. [/quote]

Yes, it is 20 years of change, but to think it is now a NON ISSUE is a little off.

AA was inacted in the 90’s in part because of this. Your perspective sees that time frame as enough to effectively change all of society to make it a nonissue…yet we see people using 20 year old Tupac pictures to show proof of “black thugs”.

Strange, no?[/quote]

I think it is virtually a non-issue, yes. The difference is while Tupac is an outdated refernce people are still immulating him. I really really really doubt anyone, with the exception of very small businesses (and this I beleive is still rare), are not promoting based of skin color. It would be front page news at every single news outlet.

There are lasting effects that still need time to fix, but we are much better off as a society then before in this regard.

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X, I’ll ask the same question I asked DN. Have you or do you know someone that has not been promoted because of their skin color? Has it happened in the last 20 years?

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, apparently the FBI does investigate crimes against whites if it is actually seen as a hate crime for race alone.

[/quote]

IF you had read the article instead of just using your GOOGLE-FU you would have read that the FBI declined to file hate crime charges because…

“whites are not covered by the hate crime statute because we’re talking about crimes that have a historic basis”

Did you even read this???

BOOM PROFESSOR GIT IT GIT IT!!!

/Ct. RockNinja’d
[/quote]

LMFAO!

I dig it.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Myosin wrote:
Two pilots are both flying the same direction. One at 35000 feet which is above the clouds and the other at 1000 feet underneath a storm.

Pilot #1: It sure is a beautiful day for flying.

Pilot #2: Man, I imagine it is up there. This storm is beating us around making it very challenging to fly straight and gain more altitude.

Pilot #1: I don’t know what you are taking about. Its sunny clear blue skies here.

Pilot #2: Okay, can you swing down here and help fly us out of this storm? Every route we take ends up in a serious down draft, keeping from breaking through the clouds.

Pilot #1: Hrmmm…what would I want to do that? No one helped me get up here. I got here on my own and you can to if you can figure out to fly like us. * Turns mic off…Man, I really hope that does not happen, things are pretty cool as they are, no need to share more of this beautiful skyway.[/quote]

This implies blacks, themselves, cannot rise above, “The storm,” which is bull shit. There are thousands upon thousands of examples.

Guess this dude decided to straight jump out of that 747…[/quote]

I think a lot of people confuse elitism with racism. The haves are always going to step on the have nots. The only thing with that is if you are a white have not, you are not provided any special protections by the government so that makes it doubly difficult to improve you social standing.[/quote]

I agree, the haves will always step all over the have nots. [/quote]

Money is amoral. There are a lot of very generous rich people. I think the only reason you two believe this because you do not know any generous rich people, or the only rich people you remember are a@@holes.

What motorcycle riders do you guys see on the highway? The ones that are riding all crazy like. This is the small percentage of motorcycle owners. You never really remember the cautious riders only the crazy ones. This is the same with rich people. You only remember the a@@holes and not the generous givers.
[/quote]

I was just speaking in general. [/quote]

Not trying to be an a@@munch but generally rich people are more generous than stepping on the small people. Just saying.
[/quote]

No, a lot of rich people do give a lot to charity. Most of the time though, with the rich, any move involving money is very calculated. The only uber-rich person I know has been extraordinarily generous to my family, however, I still maintain that most people that have wealth, at some point in the accumulation of that wealth, have had to step on a few people on the way up. I actually cant think of a single person, who achieved and maintained wealth that didn’t have to do so at the expense of at least someone else.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Yes, it is 20 years of change, but to think it is now a NON ISSUE is a little off.

AA was inacted in the 90’s in part because of this. Your perspective sees that time frame as enough to effectively change all of society to make it a nonissue…yet we see people using 20 year old Tupac pictures to show proof of “black thugs”.

Strange, no?[/quote]

PX, I have not beef to pick but lets look at it another way.

Also strange that 150 years since slavery it is still brought up as a way to show proof that the white man is still trying to keep down the black man.

Strange, no?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I think it is virtually a non-issue, yes. The difference is while Tupac is an outdated refernce people are still immulating him.[/quote]

Let’s stop here. Most of the young guys walking around today WERE NOT EVEN BORN when Tupac was here…so thinking that people are EMULATING HIM personally and not that the culture has long moved on and evolved seems very out of date and simply wrong.

Tupac effected hip hop culture, but no, no kid today is trying to be Tupac because they didn’t even know who he was.

That is why the new form of racism is the new “culturalism”. I assume you do not believe that the law has erased racism and that smart racist business people still can not show this in hiring practices without screaming out hatred of black people.

Yes, we are much better off, but the same people who literally paint broad strokes and label every young black man dressed a certain way as a criminal will soon be hitting the work force also. Do you really think these biases have no effects n a grand scale that are still socially significant?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Otherwise known as: you have to play the game to change the game.

[/quote]

I find this “our lives suck racism bla bla bla” yet when something is suggested to fix it all of the sudden it’s trying to change “our culture” to be moronic. Successful people (of whom a number happen to be white) have certain behaviours of which most include not acting/dressing like a thug (Prof X is probably going to piss his pants) working hard and not using the victim mentality as an excuse. God forbid you let someone know about it you filthy racist

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
X, I’ll ask the same question I asked DN. Have you or do you know someone that has not been promoted because of their skin color? Has it happened in the last 20 years?[/quote]

I seriously doubt that unless someone wanted to end up in court that you would hear some manager literally make that statement of racism in public.

This is one aspect one would have to understand to answer the question you asked.

Racism today must be hidden because of the laws in effect. Do you first think that this means that racism literally exists less or that it is more subverted?

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Myosin wrote:
Two pilots are both flying the same direction. One at 35000 feet which is above the clouds and the other at 1000 feet underneath a storm.

Pilot #1: It sure is a beautiful day for flying.

Pilot #2: Man, I imagine it is up there. This storm is beating us around making it very challenging to fly straight and gain more altitude.

Pilot #1: I don’t know what you are taking about. Its sunny clear blue skies here.

Pilot #2: Okay, can you swing down here and help fly us out of this storm? Every route we take ends up in a serious down draft, keeping from breaking through the clouds.

Pilot #1: Hrmmm…what would I want to do that? No one helped me get up here. I got here on my own and you can to if you can figure out to fly like us. * Turns mic off…Man, I really hope that does not happen, things are pretty cool as they are, no need to share more of this beautiful skyway.[/quote]

This implies blacks, themselves, cannot rise above, “The storm,” which is bull shit. There are thousands upon thousands of examples.

Guess this dude decided to straight jump out of that 747…[/quote]

I think a lot of people confuse elitism with racism. The haves are always going to step on the have nots. The only thing with that is if you are a white have not, you are not provided any special protections by the government so that makes it doubly difficult to improve you social standing.[/quote]

I agree, the haves will always step all over the have nots. [/quote]

Money is amoral. There are a lot of very generous rich people. I think the only reason you two believe this because you do not know any generous rich people, or the only rich people you remember are a@@holes.

What motorcycle riders do you guys see on the highway? The ones that are riding all crazy like. This is the small percentage of motorcycle owners. You never really remember the cautious riders only the crazy ones. This is the same with rich people. You only remember the a@@holes and not the generous givers.
[/quote]

I was just speaking in general. [/quote]

Not trying to be an a@@munch but generally rich people are more generous than stepping on the small people. Just saying.
[/quote]

No, a lot of rich people do give a lot to charity. Most of the time though, with the rich, any move involving money is very calculated. The only uber-rich person I know has been extraordinarily generous to my family, however, I still maintain that most people that have wealth, at some point in the accumulation of that wealth, have had to step on a few people on the way up. I actually cant think of a single person, who achieved and maintained wealth that didn’t have to do so at the expense of at least someone else.[/quote]

I can see why you think that, but it usually is not the case. If stepping on someone you mean not giving them money to help them then yes it happens all the time. But stealing someone’s money to enrich themselves no.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Myosin wrote:
The thread has predictably turned into a group of guys who happen to be in the majority trying to show how they are not bias and if they are they have good reason to be and thus justify their bias with stats and random personal experiences. [/quote]

Both sides are doing as you describe here. Telling you don’t notice that.

Awful telling, lol. Because yes, all white people have a hive mind super whitey power mind connection were we can all feel and think the same way at all times. And you just so happen to know it is the “all hail whitey, he is king” thought that connects all white minds in the world.

Good job here man, just great.

Otherwise known as: you have to play the game to change the game.

And your post doesn’t even accomplish what you are deriding others for…

How… telling…

[quote]
Man, I really hope that does not happen, things are pretty cool as they are, no need to share more of this beautiful skyway.[/quote]

lol at stereotyping after complaining about other’s doing it. Twice now. [/quote]

Im glad ive never argued with you before.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Yes, it is 20 years of change, but to think it is now a NON ISSUE is a little off.

AA was inacted in the 90’s in part because of this. Your perspective sees that time frame as enough to effectively change all of society to make it a nonissue…yet we see people using 20 year old Tupac pictures to show proof of “black thugs”.

Strange, no?[/quote]

PX, I have not beef to pick but lets look at it another way.

Also strange that 150 years since slavery it is still brought up as a way to show proof that the white man is still trying to keep down the black man.

Strange, no?
[/quote]

I am not sure what you even mean here. Civil Rights acts were not passed until the 60’s and the government showed proof of massive racism in the 90s to institute AA. Why would you or anyone else see things in terms of “150 years” with such recent issues?

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I grew up on a literal Indian reservation.

Periodically, I’d fall into the white-man-took-our-land-and ruined-our-culture mindset so pushed by the government and outside special interest folks who came and “helped” on the reservation.

My step-father would have none of this. He gave me a book by Booker T. Washington, a man born into slavery. Booker had a white father that had no role in his life, much like my biological father (whom I’ve never even met or spoken to). I really identified with Mr. Washington. Even though I didn’t necessarily agree with everything he said, I really could tell from where he was coming.

He gave some basic strategies to survive and prosper as a minority in the USA, which have clearly been forgotten by the black community at large.

My favorite quote from him is:

“I’m afraid there is a certain class of race problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”

Regarding dress . . . . well, clothes don’t make the man, but they do make a statement about what kind of man the man wants to be.

If you dress like a cholo (and that’s the thug life dress code in these parts), people will think you are a cholo, or want to be a cholo, and treat you like a cholo.

BTW, Black gangs picked up the cholo dress code in the 1980s as part of gang life. (Cholos have been doing the low-rider pants, wife beaters, and banddannas since the 1930s. It’s not even black culture — borrowed from cholo gangs.)

Well, as an Indian — or Native American, if you prefer — I’m not a fan of cholos. They are gang-member losers and give us a bad name.

I’m not going to dress to identify with the lowest common denominator of people who happen to share my genetics.

If blacks want to identify with the lowest common denominator of their people — heck, not even their people, but cholos ---- well they’re stupid.[/quote]

BOOM.

If there was a single comment in this whole thread that deserved a “/thread,” this is it.

Unfortunately it wasnt written in crayola so will likely be ignored or twisted in some ridiculously retarded way that makes no logical sense. [/quote]

Thank you.

You are right; it will be ignored by the professional victims.

I’ve lived with their equivalent my whole life. There is no point wasting time with them.[/quote]

And as evidenced, it pretty much did go completely ignored, most likely because anyone who would disagree has no proper rebuttal.

For what its worth, im “wasting time with them” purely for entertainment value, they made it clear that their ignorance was unwavering a long time ago. [/quote]

I was making fun of this thread to my dad (my real dad, my step-dad who raised me) just now at lunch, and he pointed out that my great-great-grandfather was a buffalo soldier by the name of Thomas Shaw, so I am like 1/32 aggrieved African American.

I so need to get on the victim bandwagon. Maybe get a hoodie.

On second thought, I’ll just go to work and earn money.[/quote]

But you cant, im keeping you down.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Myosin wrote:
Two pilots are both flying the same direction. One at 35000 feet which is above the clouds and the other at 1000 feet underneath a storm.

Pilot #1: It sure is a beautiful day for flying.

Pilot #2: Man, I imagine it is up there. This storm is beating us around making it very challenging to fly straight and gain more altitude.

Pilot #1: I don’t know what you are taking about. Its sunny clear blue skies here.

Pilot #2: Okay, can you swing down here and help fly us out of this storm? Every route we take ends up in a serious down draft, keeping from breaking through the clouds.

Pilot #1: Hrmmm…what would I want to do that? No one helped me get up here. I got here on my own and you can to if you can figure out to fly like us. * Turns mic off…Man, I really hope that does not happen, things are pretty cool as they are, no need to share more of this beautiful skyway.[/quote]

This implies blacks, themselves, cannot rise above, “The storm,” which is bull shit. There are thousands upon thousands of examples.

Guess this dude decided to straight jump out of that 747…[/quote]

I think a lot of people confuse elitism with racism. The haves are always going to step on the have nots. The only thing with that is if you are a white have not, you are not provided any special protections by the government so that makes it doubly difficult to improve you social standing.[/quote]

I agree, the haves will always step all over the have nots. [/quote]

Money is amoral. There are a lot of very generous rich people. I think the only reason you two believe this because you do not know any generous rich people, or the only rich people you remember are a@@holes.

What motorcycle riders do you guys see on the highway? The ones that are riding all crazy like. This is the small percentage of motorcycle owners. You never really remember the cautious riders only the crazy ones. This is the same with rich people. You only remember the a@@holes and not the generous givers.
[/quote]

I was just speaking in general. [/quote]

Not trying to be an a@@munch but generally rich people are more generous than stepping on the small people. Just saying.
[/quote]

No, a lot of rich people do give a lot to charity. Most of the time though, with the rich, any move involving money is very calculated. The only uber-rich person I know has been extraordinarily generous to my family, however, I still maintain that most people that have wealth, at some point in the accumulation of that wealth, have had to step on a few people on the way up. I actually cant think of a single person, who achieved and maintained wealth that didn’t have to do so at the expense of at least someone else.[/quote]

You couldnt be anymore wrong in your last statement. Unless you steal it or inherit it, wealth is more often than not(and dare I say always) at any level is acheived by offering a service that is more valuable than the money recieved for it.

If you are viewing ‘at the expense’ of someone else as possible winning in competition or squeezing as much of a resource out of something as posible you are being short sighted as that act only makes their good or service more valuable and thus offering a greater degree of service or value than they recieve.

Sorry the hijack, I just hate ‘rich bashin’.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Yes, it is 20 years of change, but to think it is now a NON ISSUE is a little off.

AA was inacted in the 90’s in part because of this. Your perspective sees that time frame as enough to effectively change all of society to make it a nonissue…yet we see people using 20 year old Tupac pictures to show proof of “black thugs”.

Strange, no?[/quote]

PX, I have not beef to pick but lets look at it another way.

Also strange that 150 years since slavery it is still brought up as a way to show proof that the white man is still trying to keep down the black man.

Strange, no?
[/quote]

You know, there is a native american poster in here who has made some of the most sensible comments of this whole discussion, and it gets completely ignored.

Not like native americans didnt get royally fucked by white people 1000 times harder than blacks did…

The thing is, time changes, people change, things become history, and people have less sympathy for those who want to cry victim when they barely even saw the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

How do you know that ain’t happening?[/quote]

How do you know it is?[/quote]

If I told you would you believe me?

After all, you’re a white man in denial, with a cognitive dissonance on racism.

If I say anything on this issue, you’d still believe it’s 2013, and, with a black Prez, life should be good for all blacks. Lol, I mean, as I said in the past, even Obama can’t even drift some law without the OK of the supremacist right wingers. Lol.