[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Now let me ask you something, do you believe that racism towards whites is common in the black community?[/quote]
You mean prejudiced, right?
Do you believe racism toward blacks is common in the white commmunity?
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I grew up on a literal Indian reservation.
Periodically, I’d fall into the white-man-took-our-land-and ruined-our-culture mindset so pushed by the government and outside special interest folks who came and “helped” on the reservation.
My step-father would have none of this. He gave me a book by Booker T. Washington, a man born into slavery. Booker had a white father that had no role in his life, much like my biological father (whom I’ve never even met or spoken to). I really identified with Mr. Washington. Even though I didn’t necessarily agree with everything he said, I really could tell from where he was coming.
He gave some basic strategies to survive and prosper as a minority in the USA, which have clearly been forgotten by the black community at large.
My favorite quote from him is:
“I’m afraid there is a certain class of race problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”
Regarding dress . . . . well, clothes don’t make the man, but they do make a statement about what kind of man the man wants to be.
If you dress like a cholo (and that’s the thug life dress code in these parts), people will think you are a cholo, or want to be a cholo, and treat you like a cholo.
BTW, Black gangs picked up the cholo dress code in the 1980s as part of gang life. (Cholos have been doing the low-rider pants, wife beaters, and banddannas since the 1930s. It’s not even black culture — borrowed from cholo gangs.)
Well, as an Indian — or Native American, if you prefer — I’m not a fan of cholos. They are gang-member losers and give us a bad name.
I’m not going to dress to identify with the lowest common denominator of people who happen to share my genetics.
If blacks want to identify with the lowest common denominator of their people — heck, not even their people, but cholos ---- well they’re stupid.[/quote]
BOOM.
If there was a single comment in this whole thread that deserved a “/thread,” this is it.
Unfortunately it wasnt written in crayola so will likely be ignored or twisted in some ridiculously retarded way that makes no logical sense. [/quote]
Thank you.
You are right; it will be ignored by the professional victims.
I’ve lived with their equivalent my whole life. There is no point wasting time with them.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You mean because of the hate crime stats I just posted from the FBI? Uh, yeah. That usually counts as a good resource.
You have not shown the same for white people in those areas.
Do you have proof that whites are more at risk of racial hate crimes?
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Yes, I see crime statistics are a good resource until they show that blacks commit more crimes. Then the statistics are a bunch of bullshit and you dismiss them. When it supports your argument, then they are valid.
I think plenty of attacks on whites by blacks that are racially motivated crimes don’t get reported as hate crimes.
I agree with you… I think. I believe BLACK people have more places that they can’t go due to racism and the risk of a hate crime. But if you think white people can go anywhere they want without being subject to racism and risk of a hate crime then you’re nuts.
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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Yes, I see crime statistics are a good resource until they show that blacks commit more crimes.[/quote]
That would be due to acting like RACE is the factor behind why.
They are valid for showing HATE CRIMES.
That may or may not be the case, but if you have no evidence that whiotes are at MORE riskl than blacks in some situations, then why keep saying it?
I am not saying they can go anywhere they want…but acting like they are at GREATER RISK makes no sense and is unsupported.
Zims crooked nose.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I am pretty sure I am not alone as there have been plenty of people hear who have agreed with me.[/quote]
Once again, why do you think your perception equals truth for all?
It doesn’t matter if 1,000 people agree with you. Why do you think your perception stands as truth for all people in the country?
Common? No, not in my city. I don’t know many black people at all who sit there and even worry about white people.
Houston is about as mixed as you can get.[/quote]
And I don’t know many black people who think anything other than nice things about their black neighbors. Your perception is your perception, racism against whites is very uncommon and the few instances of heinous hate crimes (the James Byrd incident or the James Anderson one) indicate that racism is still extremely prevalent in the white population.
My perception is that (outside of a few outliers) racism is not that common against blacks anymore and blacks are just as, if not more racist (and prejudiced) as whites.
Personal experience and our communities have built these perceptions, as well as many people reinforcing both of our view points. So I guess it is what it is. You have your mind made up, and I have mine, and we are not going to be changing each others mindsets.
I will say this, if you want to see the full effect of both races more common prejudices, watch how a white male/black female couple is treated. They catch it from both races and genders.
Prof X & Ninja…while I don’t agree with you guys all the time when it comes to other topics posted on the site, I appreciate you fighting the good fight here but just give up.
The thread has predictably turned into a group of guys who happen to be in the majority trying to show how they are not bias and if they are they have good reason to be and thus justify their bias with stats and random personal experiences.
They either deny there is any issue of race (why change things when I am on top?) or offer solutions along the lines of: be more like me…dress like me, speak like me, enjoy the music and fashion I enjoy etc or why don’t you act like them (Asians, Jews etc) and everything will be okay. No offer of anyone actually recognizing the problem and taking personal steps to try to get activity involved to bridge the divide.
Two pilots are both flying the same direction. One at 35000 feet which is above the clouds and the other at 1000 feet underneath a storm.
Pilot #1: It sure is a beautiful day for flying.
Pilot #2: Man, I imagine it is up there. This storm is beating us around making it very challenging to fly straight and gain more altitude.
Pilot #1: I don’t know what you are taking about. Its sunny clear blue skies here.
Pilot #2: Okay, can you swing down here and help fly us out of this storm? Every route we take ends up in a serious down draft, keeping from breaking through the clouds.
Pilot #1: Hrmmm…what would I want to do that? No one helped me get up here. I got here on my own and you can to if you can figure out to fly like us. * Turns mic off…Man, I really hope that does not happen, things are pretty cool as they are, no need to share more of this beautiful skyway.
There is no basis for black on white hate crimes. I believe the law ignores whites all together and only protects minorities and other protected classes. So asking for hate crime cases against whites is asking for something that does not exist. Which proves white male’s lives are less valuable to our federal government.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sagging pants are a big thing in my community. The only people who would see that STYLE AND TREND as criminal would be people who don’t even try to understand the culture.
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I don’t see it as criminal, I see it as retarded. How soon until pants are sagging in the front and kids are walking around with their junk hanging out and anyone who criticizes is deemed racist when in fact we just don’t like looking at other people’s junk?[/quote]
But…you’re old. They said the same thing about Elvis in the 50’s.
Wow…youth doing something rebellious…the horror.
Good thing only BLACK PEOPLE do things like that.[/quote]
I had to laugh at this. Seriously, X? You’re discrediting what he said just because he’s old. Dude, YOU’RE old. You’re like 37 or some shit. You need to stop acting like you are part of the younger generation. You really probably don’t know shit about what’s in vogue. Quit living like you are still some young gun who is down with the times. You’re an old man. Come to terms with it. It just irks me that you continually try and speak for my generation when you aren’t even a part of it. You’re not as worldly and cultured as you act.
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I had to laugh at this. This, as in, your post. If 37 is old what is 23? Middle-aged? You’re a middle-aged man.[/quote]
Thank you. We disagree often, but this post from him is just nothing but derailing the thread and uncreative personal attacks.
In general, if this is what now passes for a discussion on this board, everyone here should feel like a failure for it.
Attacking anyone on a personal level as your ONLY defense (not even counting banter while still meeting topic points) is childish and bringing this whole website down. No one is thinking you are “witty” for it.
I am wondering why it is accepted still.
If you all want a discussion, stay on topic.
If you are making posts for the ONLY reason of attacking someone, please leave.[/quote]
I love that you get to decide who stays and goes in every thread you pop into. It isn’t your say, man. This isn’t your thread. You don’t hold more power than any other poster in here. Stop trying to play the role of the authority figure. In regards to my post: I believe it was relevant. You tried to ignore sen say’s post on the grounds that he was “old”. I merely pointed out that the same could be said of you. But, it’s okay when you resort to personal attacks, right? Because you’re Professor X. When I do the exact same thing as you, I’m attacking you personally. At no point did I insult you. I just told you to stop acting like you speak for younger generations or the majority in general, just as you have said to others. Then I proceeded to respond to DBCooper’s post explaining where I was coming from. You just seem to have taken it pretty hard.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
My perception is that (outside of a few outliers) racism is not that common against blacks anymore and blacks are just as, if not more racist (and prejudiced) as whites. [/quote]
Even if that were true, what social effect does that have on whites as a whole…BLACK RACISM AGAINST WHITES.
Could you explain in detail how this holds the entire white race back?
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I will say this, if you want to see the full effect of both races more common prejudices, watch how a white male/black female couple is treated. They catch it from both races and genders.[/quote]
I see mixed couples all day in Houston. I am sure they do catch racism.
I am not sure how this shows that
-“racism is not that common against blacks anymore”
-“blacks are just as, if not more racist (and prejudiced) as whites.”
Once again, even if your perception were correct, what is the damage this is causing to the white community as a whole?
[quote]WW3General wrote:
There is no basis for black on white hate crimes. I believe the law ignores whites all together and only protects minorities and other protected classes. So asking for hate crime cases against whites is asking for something that does not exist. Which proves white male’s lives are less valuable to our federal government.
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If the data does not exist, how can people say that whites are at more risk than blacks in any area based on race alone?
[quote]Myosin wrote:
Prof X & Ninja…while I don’t agree with you guys all the time when it comes to other topics posted on the site, I appreciate you fighting the good fight here but just give up.
The thread has predictably turned into a group of guys who happen to be in the majority trying to show how they are not bias and if they are they have good reason to be and thus justify their bias with stats and random personal experiences.
They either deny there is any issue of race (why change things when I am on top?) or offer solutions along the lines of: be more like me…dress like me, speak like me, enjoy the music and fashion I enjoy etc or why don’t you act like them (Asians, Jews etc) and everything will be okay. No offer of anyone actually recognizing the problem and taking personal steps to try to get activity involved to bridge the divide.
Two pilots are both flying the same direction. One at 35000 feet which is above the clouds and the other at 1000 feet underneath a storm.
Pilot #1: It sure is a beautiful day for flying.
Pilot #2: Man, I imagine it is up there. This storm is beating us around making it very challenging to fly straight and gain more altitude.
Pilot #1: I don’t know what you are taking about. Its sunny clear blue skies here.
Pilot #2: Okay, can you swing down here and help fly us out of this storm? Every route we take ends up in a serious down draft, keeping from breaking through the clouds.
Pilot #1: Hrmmm…what would I want to do that? No one helped me get up here. I got here on my own and you can to if you can figure out to fly like us. * Turns mic off…Man, I really hope that does not happen, things are pretty cool as they are, no need to share more of this beautiful skyway.[/quote]
Lol.
You’re right. This thread is going nowhere.
I’m done here.
DN OUT.
Prof X, please give up.
Let’s get the fuck outta here.
[quote]Myosin wrote:
Prof X & Ninja…while I don’t agree with you guys all the time when it comes to other topics posted on the site, I appreciate you fighting the good fight here but just give up.
The thread has predictably turned into a group of guys who happen to be in the majority trying to show how they are not bias and if they are they have good reason to be and thus justify their bias with stats and random personal experiences.
They either deny there is any issue of race (why change things when I am on top?) or offer solutions along the lines of: be more like me…dress like me, speak like me, enjoy the music and fashion I enjoy etc or why don’t you act like them (Asians, Jews etc) and everything will be okay. No offer of anyone actually recognizing the problem and taking personal steps to try to get activity involved to bridge the divide.
Two pilots are both flying the same direction. One at 35000 feet which is above the clouds and the other at 1000 feet underneath a storm.
Pilot #1: It sure is a beautiful day for flying.
Pilot #2: Man, I imagine it is up there. This storm is beating us around making it very challenging to fly straight and gain more altitude.
Pilot #1: I don’t know what you are taking about. Its sunny clear blue skies here.
Pilot #2: Okay, can you swing down here and help fly us out of this storm? Every route we take ends up in a serious down draft, keeping from breaking through the clouds.
Pilot #1: Hrmmm…what would I want to do that? No one helped me get up here. I got here on my own and you can to if you can figure out to fly like us. * Turns mic off…Man, I really hope that does not happen, things are pretty cool as they are, no need to share more of this beautiful skyway.[/quote]
Err, I forgot to clap before I left. Lol.
Great fucking post.
I’m out.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Blacks are the biggest victims solely because there are more of them there.
Of course less whites are assaulted/robbed/etc in those neighborhoods, they avoid those neighborhoods whenever necessary.
Please, use common sense for once. [/quote]
More personal attacks.
It was said that there are more places that white people can’t go because of racism than blacks…when nothing being shown represents this.
If BLACKS are attacked mostly BY BLACKS then saying whites are at more risk or there are more places whites can’t go because of racial attacks makes no sense.
Please respond without the personal attacks if you can.[/quote]
People have made the request that you respond without resorting to your typical MO of ignorance and unwillingness to accept other people’s perspectives, but that hasnt changed anything, so i will respond as i see fit.
Blacks are attacked mostly by blacks because most of this happens in PREDOMINANTLY BLACK neighborhoods. How are black people going to be assaulted by whites frequently in Gary Indiana where the population is 95% black? Makes sense, doesnt it?
However, many black people will be able to live in a place like Gary, IN without suffering assaults or burglaries every other day. It would be far more of a challenge for me to take my dog for a walk through the worst areas even once without the threat of violence hanging over my head the entire time.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Chris Rock makes it funny.
Interesting…a predominantly black audience laughed and applauded, rather than immediately protesting and arguing with Chris Rock’s assertion that black people are racist too.
What damage is racism causing to the black race as a whole? Most things you list I would probably say are more attributed to a victim mentality that has been perpetuated by several black leaders to further their own agendas just as much as white racism. Lets see, how is this holding white people back, maybe not as a whole, but I can think of plenty individual accounts. Recently, a firefighter was hired in our city who had no prior experience and had horrendous test scores over a litany of more experienced, higher scoring applicants. The city councils reason “because we hired a white man last time, we had to hire a black man this time.”
Girl graduates 3rd in her class from one of the most prestigious colleges in the state yet was not accepted into dental school (first time this had ever happened) because the year she applied, they capped any school that was majority white at 2 acceptances because they needed to increase “diversity”.
There are plenty of stories just like this so yeah, racism does exist and I have no doubt that this has happened to black people as well, however when it happens to them it isn’t actually being encouraged by the government in the name of diversity.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I don’t think anyone is denying that it still exists. Racism will always exist on some level, however, a lot of us are saying that some here are overstating the white on black racism and choosing to completely act like black on white racism doesn’t exist.[/quote]
Black on white racism?
Well, Jb, the day the blacks will be in control of the justice system and can send as many whites as they like to jail, even for crime they didn’t commit, the day the blacks can keep whites out of job by the millions, the day the blacks can control the media, the White house, the Senate, and write laws citizen must abide by, the day the blacks create a black supremacy system, that only caters to blacks and to some minorities, then, yes, Jb, I will agree with you that black on white racism exist.
Please do not confuse prejudice with racism.
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ROFL
Someone needs to get slapped in the balls with a dictionary and turn to the page with “racism”
Actually, a white man probably wrote that definition, which makes it inherently racist to begin with.
[quote]Myosin wrote:
Two pilots are both flying the same direction. One at 35000 feet which is above the clouds and the other at 1000 feet underneath a storm.
Pilot #1: It sure is a beautiful day for flying.
Pilot #2: Man, I imagine it is up there. This storm is beating us around making it very challenging to fly straight and gain more altitude.
Pilot #1: I don’t know what you are taking about. Its sunny clear blue skies here.
Pilot #2: Okay, can you swing down here and help fly us out of this storm? Every route we take ends up in a serious down draft, keeping from breaking through the clouds.
Pilot #1: Hrmmm…what would I want to do that? No one helped me get up here. I got here on my own and you can to if you can figure out to fly like us. * Turns mic off…Man, I really hope that does not happen, things are pretty cool as they are, no need to share more of this beautiful skyway.[/quote]
This implies blacks, themselves, cannot rise above, “The storm,” which is bull shit. There are thousands upon thousands of examples.
Guess this dude decided to straight jump out of that 747…