Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

Edit: If you’re truly worried about cops shooting your kid(s) just for being black/brown, maybe you should consider moving to a new/better area? Get out of dodge of wherever this inherent intense profiling exists.[/quote]

You mean America? It really is astounding that people don’t get it that a parent shouldn’t have to teach their son to be fearful of the police.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
My point in my approach was to show how literally one sided “majority opinion” seems to be.

Majority opinion concludes that:
-Cops equal safety
-clothing styles equal thug

Minority opinion could alternately conclude that:
-Cops equal lack of safety and/or loss of life
-sagging doesn’t equal THUG at all

Funny how one side sees the other as “IDIOTIC”…but can’t see the institutional racism at all.
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Let’s be real (realtalk.) Sagging pants where your whole ass is hanging out and you literally have to hold your pants up is thuggish plain and simple. If someone walks around with their whole ass hanging out and walking like a duck holding the crotch area of their pants to keep from falling, they are telling everyone they are a thug. Whether they are or not. No different than a chick walking around public with her ass hanging out and tits about to bust out of her shirt being perceived as a slut. Or someone with a shaved head, long shorts, high socks, and SS tats being perceived as a skinhead. If a millionaire that doesn’t shower for a year or cut his hair or toenails and walks around with ripped jeans and a dirty sweatshirt? He’ll be perceived as a bum no matter how much money he really has. Someone that expects to be perceived any differently than they present themselves is ignorant, mentally handicapped, or probably both.

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Why the hell do people do this? It does seem like a mentally handicapped social statement.
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Regardless, we are old fucks that don’t understand some of todays trends just as our parents didn’t understand some of our trends. My daughters last boyfriend dressed like this, but once you got past it he was a smart thoughtful kid who would actually initiate conversation, that just happened to dress like a dumbass.[/quote]

I still have a LOT of trouble taking anyone seriously who has the entire ass of their underwear hanging out and are practically stumbling as they walk with their pants around their knees like they didn’t bother to finish after taking a shit.

It’s a far cry from a ducktail.

Hey Professor X! Read this article and the statistics contained within it and then come back and try to make your phony, victim-mentality-generated arguments about white-on-black racism in this country. Like the author of the article says, if interracial crime is the ugliest manifestation of racism in this country, then the concrete fact is that blacks are the racists and not whites, given that virtually all of the crime in this country committed by one racial group against another is black-on-white crime.

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
My point in my approach was to show how literally one sided “majority opinion” seems to be.

Majority opinion concludes that:
-Cops equal safety
-clothing styles equal thug

Minority opinion could alternately conclude that:
-Cops equal lack of safety and/or loss of life
-sagging doesn’t equal THUG at all

Funny how one side sees the other as “IDIOTIC”…but can’t see the institutional racism at all.
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Let’s be real (realtalk.) Sagging pants where your whole ass is hanging out and you literally have to hold your pants up is thuggish plain and simple. If someone walks around with their whole ass hanging out and walking like a duck holding the crotch area of their pants to keep from falling, they are telling everyone they are a thug. Whether they are or not.

No different than a chick walking around public with her ass hanging out and tits about to bust out of her shirt being perceived as a slut. Or someone with a shaved head, long shorts, high socks, and SS tats being perceived as a skinhead. If a millionaire that doesn’t shower for a year or cut his hair or toenails and walks around with ripped jeans and a dirty sweatshirt? He’ll be perceived as a bum no matter how much money he really has. Someone that expects to be perceived any differently than they present themselves is ignorant, mentally handicapped, or probably both.

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…and the vast majority of the time, in all the examples you gave, you’d be right.

The guy holding his nuts with his pants sagging down below his ass is in all likelihood, not getting up in the morning to go to his job as an investment banker.

The chick at the club with her tits falling out and mini dress that doesnt even come halfway down her ass is, in all likelihood, not volunteering at homeless shelters and soup kitchens on the weekends.

Profiling is smart, its a survival mechanism, you need to be able to get a feel for a situation and a person without knowing anything about them.

Anyone who doesnt instantly formulate preliminary opinions based on what they see is retarded and begging for someone to take advantage of them.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Hey Professor X! Read this article and the statistics contained within it and then come back and try to make your phony, victim-mentality-generated arguments about white-on-black racism in this country. Like the author of the article says, if interracial crime is the ugliest manifestation of racism in this country, then the concrete fact is that blacks are the racists and not whites, given that virtually all of the crime in this country committed by one racial group against another is black-on-white crime.

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html[/quote]

You mean to say that the fact that more black people are being stopped and possibly even profiled by police has something to do with the fact that more black people are actually committing the crimes? And that the majority of said police are also minorities?

This is a sick, racist world we live in indeed.

Also, Fernando Mateo, head of the NY Taxi Cab Union, is clearly racist. How dare he be more cautious when dealing with blacks simply because they are far-and-away the biggest perpetrators of crimes against cab drivers? Thats evil profiling!

On a less sarcastic note, the rape stats are shocking; in cases of interracial rape in 2007, 14000 assaults on white women by black men. Not a single case of a white man raping a black woman. Damn.

Black males are statistically 40 times more likely to assault a white male than the reverse. We’re the racists…

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Thanks Myosin thats a very well put statement. Its nice to see someone see it that way. Weather people want to agree or disagree on how race was used in Travons case will be forever debated. Im kinda done dealing with it now. And have come to the conclusion that there is such a gigantic divide on race perceptions and gun control that you will be on one side of the fence or the other no matter what.

That is how it is but for black people and fathers of black & brown kids it?s a much more complex and fucked up situation then what most white people can grasp. Which is how can I protect my son from a world where non-trained, un-identified, gun packing citizens have the ability to do their own police work based on their non trained non professional assessments Thats where race is a MEGA issue…

So as a father of a brown or black kid how do we train them to deal with that world? I now have to introduce my son to the neighborhood watch guy not only in my neighborhood but the neighborhoods of friends he could possibly go? WTF!! I have to make sure his clothing is up to the standards of middle age white people? WTF! How do I teach him whats suspicious walking? If hes too slow its suspicious if hes running will someone will chase him. If someone chases him does he freeze, or does he try to defend himself? Is something going to happen if hes at a new friends house and people dont recognize him.

White people with white sons for the most part wont have that fear. Im not a Navy seal with a law degree so how fuck am I supposed to make sure my son lives to see me die? Its hard enough having to worry about the police shooting an unarmed black or brown kid. Now we have to worry about everyone else. My father never had to teach me how to deal with police so I dont get shot, as a white man thats a non issue. For that matter he sure as shit didnt bring up armed citizens.

For black fathers teaching their kids about police is pretty normal. The perception of being safe because of police is not shared by all. Things like street sweeps, and corruption do exist but largely not in suburban or rural communities which are predominantly white. Add in the now fear of average possibly uniformed want to be cops and the fear level has just gone red alert for all parents of black & brown kids. Worst of all we have no way to protect them.

In regards to race on this matter?When everyones packing that?s why race tolerance, understanding, and reason are so god damn important.
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This is such a melodramatic appeal to emotion any truth contained within is rendered moot by the horseshit.

This isn’t the first time a democrat has shot a black person.
This isn’t the first time a Hispanic man has shot a black person.
This isn’t the first time an ambitious prosecutor fucked up and went after fame rather than justice.
This isn’t the first time bad judgment has lead to tragedy.
This case does not, did not, nor ever will mean “open season” on liberals “hunting” black people.

This utterly false notion that white people just “have it so easy” is nonsense to the highest degree. All I have to do is cross the river by my house and there are entire neighborhoods I can’t walk in because I’m white, unless I want to invite trouble.

Statistically your kids, my kids and everyone’s kids are more likely to die in a drunk driving accident, eating themselves to death, smoking, drug over dose or any other event than shot by a neighborhood watchman.

I’m white and was raised to hate/not trust police. (I’ve sense grown up to judge individuals not entire groups by any one individual, but hey that is just me.)

My son is biracial and not a single thing you’ve mentioned here are the lessons he has learned from this event…

Good lord.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
My point in my approach was to show how literally one sided “majority opinion” seems to be.

Majority opinion concludes that:
-Cops equal safety
-clothing styles equal thug

Minority opinion could alternately conclude that:
-Cops equal lack of safety and/or loss of life
-sagging doesn’t equal THUG at all

Funny how one side sees the other as “IDIOTIC”…but can’t see the institutional racism at all.
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Let’s be real (realtalk.) Sagging pants where your whole ass is hanging out and you literally have to hold your pants up is thuggish plain and simple. If someone walks around with their whole ass hanging out and walking like a duck holding the crotch area of their pants to keep from falling, they are telling everyone they are a thug. Whether they are or not.

No different than a chick walking around public with her ass hanging out and tits about to bust out of her shirt being perceived as a slut. Or someone with a shaved head, long shorts, high socks, and SS tats being perceived as a skinhead. If a millionaire that doesn’t shower for a year or cut his hair or toenails and walks around with ripped jeans and a dirty sweatshirt? He’ll be perceived as a bum no matter how much money he really has. Someone that expects to be perceived any differently than they present themselves is ignorant, mentally handicapped, or probably both.

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If it’s the majority’s opinion that pants hanging off the ass projects thuggishness and you don’t want people to see you as a thug, don’t dress that way.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Realizing this has become an amazingly sensitive topic (I’ve lost a lot of respect for various people I’m “friends” with on FB), I’m wondering how many people actually watched the entire trial and understand the amount of evidence that all seemed to support one side. [/quote]

Me too. Everyone on FB is pro-Trayvon Martin.

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
I dont hate white people. I am white. But as a white man with a black wife and 3 mixed kids which by anyones intial glance would just assume them black I get put in the unfortunate position of dealing with racisim frequently. All the time I hear white people say stupid shit about black people becuase they assume its “safe” to say it around me.

When I show them my kids pictures or mention my famil status I get the same 2 stepin backtracking answers “oh well I didnt mean it like that” or “Im not racist thats not what I meant” I cant stand it and its bullshit… When people use terms like “those people” “they all do this” or my fav “oh thats how they talk” Its racist bullshit. In the realworld I confront people all the time on it so on here I shouldnt expect less as its just a micro-cosim of society. I respect all people of any color, ethnicty, religion, and style choice. [/quote]

I actually thought you were black. Well, well, well… :slight_smile:

There are only a few like you and, I command you for stepping up and saying like it is. I know only a few white people, friends, who have been exposed to racism against blacks and, who know how it feels because they are in relationships with blacks, or grew up around blacks. I know of others, also in relationships with a black gf or spouse, who somehow overlook the racist mistreatment of their ‘‘significant other’’. A girlfriend of mine’s white fiance was exactly that way for years until they had a son. At four years old, their child was called a fucking n$$$r in front of his parents by some fucking cunt in a children playground. Why? Because during a ball game, the little boy threw the ball too hard and it hit the other child’s face, bruising him. A four years old child, bi-racial – not even black – child, called the N word by an angry white parent, in front of his black and white parents. And that was only the start of a series of subtle or blatant racist behaviour/actions toward that child. It really saddened me that it took shit to happen to that child for his father to finally taking off the veil before his eyes.

Some white people, I’d say most of them, are living in ‘their’ social bubble and they have absolutely no clue of the differences and experiences of others outside of it. They would rather disregard this, deny this, and flee from an intrusion or accusations that would prove different. Amerikkka, a land now where ideally, people view each other as the same, where race is swept under the rug, and racism is deemed over now that a black president of is in charge.

Reverse racism is cried after denied college applications, and instead of interjecting racial slurs, people pick on social attributes, and use ‘they’ instead of this. There is denial of this, yet communities are segregated and, groups of different social statuses have paths that have never crossed. Now, people are expected to take on the assumption that none of this has any influence on how black, white, and other minorities as a nation interact with one another?

Fucking hell. The fucking jokes write themselves.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

Edit: If you’re truly worried about cops shooting your kid(s) just for being black/brown, maybe you should consider moving to a new/better area? Get out of dodge of wherever this inherent intense profiling exists.[/quote]

You mean America? It really is astounding that people don’t get it that a parent shouldn’t have to teach their son to be fearful of the police.[/quote]

Anyone that thinks they won’t get their world fucked up by a dirty cop because they are white is a complete moron.

[quote]Cortes wrote:

You are being dishonest or dumb.

State law is what governs us. Not Neighborhood Watchman law.

I can break all kinds of rules without breaking any laws.

Your prejudice is blinding you to reality. As usual.

So, Red Herrings or temper tantrums, which was this? Little of both? [/quote]

You haven’t answer my questions.

I said, before you barged in, that a watchman is not a policeman, nor a vigilante. A watchman fucking watches and observes and reports. You’re telling me otherwise.

I’m going to make it simple to you and ask you again, prior zimcunt’s trial and him walking scot free, (since it seems to me you base your argument on the verdict of this case), did State law state that watchmen have the same authorities, duties of cops or vigilantes? Yes or no?

Will the next watchman killing someone ‘‘up to no good’’ in his/he neighbourhood will walk free because he/she didn’t break the law by acting as a vigilantes or a cop?

Simple questions. Answer them.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

Edit: If you’re truly worried about cops shooting your kid(s) just for being black/brown, maybe you should consider moving to a new/better area? Get out of dodge of wherever this inherent intense profiling exists.[/quote]

You mean America? It really is astounding that people don’t get it that a parent shouldn’t have to teach their son to be fearful of the police.[/quote]

Anyone that thinks they won’t get their world fucked up by a dirty cop because they are white is a complete moron. [/quote]

There is a difference between getting your world fucked up by a dirty cop and having to be fearful of most cops. So do you think it is just a perception in the black community that they have to teach their young men how to not get shot during a traffic stop?

I have known plenty of asshole cops but have never been in fear of being shot by one.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Realizing this has become an amazingly sensitive topic (I’ve lost a lot of respect for various people I’m “friends” with on FB), I’m wondering how many people actually watched the entire trial and understand the amount of evidence that all seemed to support one side. If people are capable of ignoring for just a moment the media and race-baiters who seem to make a living out of sensationalizing this horrific event and inciting extreme emotions over a purely objective view of the law, you can go online and view full testimonies of :

  • the first cops at the scene
  • the lead detectives who oversaw various interviews personally as well as oversaw accumulation of all data
  • an eyewitness to a very one sided beat down
  • a forensic pathologist
  • a breakdown of the autopsy and complete breakdown of locations of bruising and injuries sustained by both parties (not the mortician who prepared the body at a later date, but the guy who analyzes bodies for the police immediately post incident)
  • GZ’s personal trainer who testified that he was horribly out of shape and incapable of throwing a punch
  • Law enforcement Dennis Root (who provided an amazingly detailed analysis of the entire series of events, I recommend this highly!)
  • and pretty much everyone else involved in any way

and yes, you can even get the information on TM’s being found with stolen items in school, his past drug history, drug residue found on him in school, and eventual suspension from his school which was the reason he was sent to Fla in the first place. For the record, despite what people like Martin Bashir are putting out there in their own videos, this information wasn’t even used in the trial. No one character assassinated TM. It is simply part of the standard process to gather as much information as possible on both parties. GZ was on trial, not TM, and while this information may shatter the cherubic image of TM when he was 11 that got plastered everywhere to paint the defendant as a child killer, it was actually useless in the case and both sides knew it.

Additionally you can hear the full 911 tape that was edited very early on to make it sound like GZ was racist (instead of him simply responding to the dispatcher’s questioning), testimony that supports the fact that a 911 operator saying “we don’t need you to do that” is part of a standard script they must follow to avoid legal implications lest someone suffers injuries, as well as history of previous calls from neighborhood watchers - GZ included - where the cops didn’t show up in time and the record of several recent break-ins in the community in question.

Now obviously I’m hoping to not get jumped on by stating all of this and I have no intention of really getting involved in this thread, BUT in light of what occurred, when all evidence (real provable evidence, not someone hearing a muffled sound over a phone and imagining that it’s a headset being thrown on the grass) is weighing solely on one side, and the final decision is in the hands of people with nothing to gain or lose, all selected and agreed upon by both legal teams, despite the fact that someone lost his life, when the defendant has violated no laws under state or federal decrees, then no matter how many people try to pin it on unrelated (unprovable) matters, the verdict is what it is in the eyes of the law.

I guess I’m just shocked at how the perceived racial divide is actually reinforced by people in positions where they could actually do some good instead.

S[/quote]

Zim’s PT said he was in a horrible shape and, yet had a special page about that fat bastard’s (meh he wasn’t fat back then) training on the club website. That page has since been taken down, and in order to get some details, the only option is to contact the club owner.

It is also interesting how the media only portrayed one side of the story during this trial. Even on this site, people were talking more about trayvon Martin’s ‘‘thuggery’’ but his killer’s history of violence was hardly mentioned. George Zimmerpig has his Myspace page up where he gladly talks about running over Mexicans and beating his gf. All those details were omitted by the media.

I do not believe there was equal balance in the way the two parties were portrayed.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

There is a difference between getting your world fucked up by a dirty cop and having to be fearful of most cops.[/quote]

This is going to depend on where you are, what you were doing, and what time it is.

Past 9pm, I’m fearful of most cops. During morning commute, I’m not as worried. That said I do not, ever, fuck around at all with an LEO. I kiss ass up and down. I’ve seen what happens, with my own eyes, when you step out of line.

I think the black communities are smart to be weary of the police, particularly in urban areas. I think white communities would be smart to be the same way.

Maybe it is where I live then.

[quote]Myosin wrote:

Nice insight into the heart of the matter here.

The law is the law and I certainly don’t have all the details of the case but I suppose the jury had little choice with the current laws.

A lot of Black people scream racism. Some or a lot of White people disagree, saying no that is not racist. The current system, while progressive, is inherently created to keep those in control on top. Again, those in power telling others what is and what is not racist, just another form of control. Many will disagree, but the view from on top of the social mountain rarely sees a cloudy day. This is one reason why so many scream, “You have taken away my America, Bring back my America” etc in reference to now having a Black President (who is only half black, but never is referred to as white, funny how quickly you get kicked off that social ladder rung).

This is where the disconnect occurs. A White person cannot begin to understand what it is to be Black in this world just like a Black person would find it had to identify with growing up white. You could reference the one cool black guy in your white neighborhood as successful integration, but it is a thin veil for what hebrewhero referred in his post. When white people attempt to scream they have been discriminated against, minorities actually chuckle and shake their head. The entire society caters to your success. You are the hero, the role model, the upstanding citizen, smart, attractive, successful, healthy, what everyone should strive so hard to be like. Even by all biblical accounts, God-like.

Black…not so much.
Latino…not so much.
Indian, Asian, even foreign born white folks are not qualified. (Speak American, God dammit)

Again, this will fall very, very short in trying to explain what it can be like for a minority group and most likely will not change anyone’s views, but try to understand if someone tells you they feel bad because of something or a situation and you say “No, it is not like that, you are stupid to feel that way”, negates their very emotion. Imagine someone refuses to recognize you and how you feel, that would only make you feel much worse and even angry.

Try it the next time your wife shares her thoughts with you…[/quote]

Fantastic post.

However, I absolutely and completely believe from the depths of my intellect, that the jurors made the best decision possible…for maintaining a white supremacist infrastructure where black’s lives have historically been devalued and are still, to this day.

Best fucking decision ever.

Amerikkka. A country built on racism and still very racist from its institutions to its justice system. Racism, an American pie, an institutionalized prejudice, defined by the power of said institution that wields control over a historically marginalized group of people. Racism was here at the establishment of the country and it is still there.

That is the root of this outrage about the TM case. The fact that Zimms was not automatically arrested immediately following KILLING a human being; the fact that it took protests before there was any consideration for an arrest, the fact that Trayvon was on trial for being a “scary and angry Black youth” instead of Zimmfat for KILLING a human being; the fact that the murderer walked free, acquitted by a jury of HIS PEERS, the fact that his white privilege allowed him to wiggle right out of his punishment from behind the scenes, point out how Amerikkka’s history of institutional racism promotes injustice.

As usual, people want to brush this under the carpet because race talk is such a sensitive topic between whites and blacks, especially with most whites, who refuse to acknowledge racism is still very well alive in their land.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

However, I absolutely and completely believe from the depths of my intellect, that the jurors made the best decision possible…for maintaining a white supremacist infrastructure where black’s lives have historically been devalued and are still, to this day.
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You honestly think those 5 women were concerned about white supremacy?

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

However, I absolutely and completely believe from the depths of my intellect, that the jurors made the best decision possible…for maintaining a white supremacist infrastructure where black’s lives have historically been devalued and are still, to this day.
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You honestly think those 5 women were concerned about white supremacy?[/quote]

You honestly dont already know the answer you’re gonna receive?

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Realizing this has become an amazingly sensitive topic (I’ve lost a lot of respect for various people I’m “friends” with on FB), I’m wondering how many people actually watched the entire trial and understand the amount of evidence that all seemed to support one side. If people are capable of ignoring for just a moment the media and race-baiters who seem to make a living out of sensationalizing this horrific event and inciting extreme emotions over a purely objective view of the law, you can go online and view full testimonies of :

  • the first cops at the scene
  • the lead detectives who oversaw various interviews personally as well as oversaw accumulation of all data
  • an eyewitness to a very one sided beat down
  • a forensic pathologist
  • a breakdown of the autopsy and complete breakdown of locations of bruising and injuries sustained by both parties (not the mortician who prepared the body at a later date, but the guy who analyzes bodies for the police immediately post incident)
  • GZ’s personal trainer who testified that he was horribly out of shape and incapable of throwing a punch
  • Law enforcement Dennis Root (who provided an amazingly detailed analysis of the entire series of events, I recommend this highly!)
  • and pretty much everyone else involved in any way

and yes, you can even get the information on TM’s being found with stolen items in school, his past drug history, drug residue found on him in school, and eventual suspension from his school which was the reason he was sent to Fla in the first place. For the record, despite what people like Martin Bashir are putting out there in their own videos, this information wasn’t even used in the trial. No one character assassinated TM. It is simply part of the standard process to gather as much information as possible on both parties. GZ was on trial, not TM, and while this information may shatter the cherubic image of TM when he was 11 that got plastered everywhere to paint the defendant as a child killer, it was actually useless in the case and both sides knew it.

Additionally you can hear the full 911 tape that was edited very early on to make it sound like GZ was racist (instead of him simply responding to the dispatcher’s questioning), testimony that supports the fact that a 911 operator saying “we don’t need you to do that” is part of a standard script they must follow to avoid legal implications lest someone suffers injuries, as well as history of previous calls from neighborhood watchers - GZ included - where the cops didn’t show up in time and the record of several recent break-ins in the community in question.

Now obviously I’m hoping to not get jumped on by stating all of this and I have no intention of really getting involved in this thread, BUT in light of what occurred, when all evidence (real provable evidence, not someone hearing a muffled sound over a phone and imagining that it’s a headset being thrown on the grass) is weighing solely on one side, and the final decision is in the hands of people with nothing to gain or lose, all selected and agreed upon by both legal teams, despite the fact that someone lost his life, when the defendant has violated no laws under state or federal decrees, then no matter how many people try to pin it on unrelated (unprovable) matters, the verdict is what it is in the eyes of the law.

I guess I’m just shocked at how the perceived racial divide is actually reinforced by people in positions where they could actually do some good instead.

S[/quote]

Zim’s PT said he was in a horrible shape and, yet had a special page about that fat bastard’s (meh he wasn’t fat back then) training on the club website. That page has since been taken down, and in order to get some details, the only option is to contact the club owner.

It is also interesting how the media only portrayed one side of the story during this trial. Even on this site, people were talking more about trayvon Martin’s ‘‘thuggery’’ but his killer’s history of violence was hardly mentioned. George Zimmerpig has his Myspace page up where he gladly talks about running over Mexicans and beating his gf. All those details were omitted by the media.

I do not believe there was equal balance in the way the two parties were portrayed.[/quote]

Maybe, but what either individual was like or acted like before the night in question, it’s all irrelevant when you weigh what actually occurred between TM and GZ one that one night, within just a short stretch of time. What the media portrayed was NOT what was presented and considered by the members of the jury. People seem to be overlooking that fact.

Whether TM was a ‘thug’ with a history of drug use, well known perchance for fighting, stealing etc AND whether GZ was ever in good shape, ever wanted to be a cop, ever called 911 before concerning unidentified people in his gated community, ever was arrested but not charged himself for domestic issues, it all means nothing when all physical evidence, eyewitness testimony, detailed forensic reports and a recorded contemporaneous conversation between the 911 dispatcher and GZ describing how TM disappeared (the only reason Z got out of his car) and then came back towards him and started the physical confrontation, as well as forensic evidence support a very open and shut exchange.

Neither man knew who the other was, nor their background histories, and just as no one, pillar of the community or not, deserves to be shot, no one deserves to be jumped and pummeled into the ground simply for alerting the authorities to your concerns about what you are worried might be yet another in a series of crimes in your neighborhood. Following someone is not a crime, physically striking someone is. Nothing can change these facts, no matter how we might feel emotionally, or dare I say it, racially about the tragedy itself.

S

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Some white people, I’d say most of them, are living in ‘their’ social bubble and they have absolutely no clue of the differences and experiences of others outside of it.
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It’s a good thing black people never live inside of their own social bubble and have absolutely no clue of the differences and experiences of others outside of it.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Amerikkka, a land now where ideally, people view each other as the same
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“People view each other as the same”. Yes that’s the idea DN. Except there are people like you trying to create racism wherever they possibly can in “Amerikkka”.