[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So so angry. Lol
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No one is angry rock… It is just, when someone talks about “awesome” training techniques and off the wall shit, and still, after years, hasn’t posted a single pic that proves you’ve seen the inside of a gym, people are going to call you out.
We’ve been through this before.
If you want people to stop looking at you like the class clown… You know what you have to do. Until then, you will get shit when you talk crazy.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
I’m sure there are a lot of people without huge traps that are very knowledgeable about physiology/anatomy/diet and training.
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If someone hasn’t built large traps, or trained anyone to having large traps, what do they really know?
You can read every book in the world on how to build a house, but if you don’t build one, or are able to tell someone how to build one, you are shit house builder.
You are new here. This is a more “walk the walk” and less “talky talk” type atmosphere.
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Ahhh, so we’ve entered into, “who can piss the furthest territory” huh??
Well I’ll speak out of experience then. There was this short lil guy who walked around campus with the sickest set of lats and traps that I’d seen, yet never seen him in the gym, which was odd cuz it was the only one around and it was free to students, and state of the art at that. I’ll spare you the dumb assumptions I had instantly (i was much younger) so I asked the gym controller if he’d happen to see this lil freak physique around. Turns out this guy didn’t even work out, but was a gymnast. Now is this an everyday situation??? Hardly… But it totally blew my mind. I’ll leave you with this…
“The one unchangeable certainty is that nothing is unchangeable or certain.” John.F. Kennedy
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I kinda stumbled onto a nice little trap move one day just playing around
Its called the trap squeeze shrug
Db in each hand
Lean forward a bit
Press dbs together as hard as possible…palms facing each other…hold this for the whole set
Then shrug back and up
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Yes. This is definitely effective, as i used your mentioned movement for a mesocycle, after shrugging in the ordinary manner for the longest time- directly up. This exercise produced great results.
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am not against alternate exercises. I am against people without really huge traps acting like more exotic movements are to be recommended FIRST over the shit that actually hits traps directly.
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I lol’d at this statement tremendously. I’m sure there are a lot of people without huge traps that are very knowledgeable about physiology/anatomy/diet and training. To narrow it down like you have is sorta ‘self serving’ IMO. Hopefully I’m wrong
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This isn’t about who is most knowledgeable about anatomy and physiology. I am sure the average MD is more knowledgeable about “anatomy and physiology” than CT on this website. Does that mean they know how to train people to get big muscles better?
Please provide answer.
Yes, doing gymnastics builds muscles. That doesn’t mean the average gymnast has muscles as big as a bodybuilder or even average running back.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes, doing gymnastics builds muscles.
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Adding to this for xxJokerxx sake – Being married to a former state champion gymnast who taught gymnastics for several years, I can say that gymnasts actually do lift weights. Every competitive gymnastics facility I’ve been in has had a pretty nice weight room. My daughter’s gymnastics gym is not to shabby.
I’d wager your buddy has done some kind of strength training besides throwing BW around on the rings.
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
Ahhh, so we’ve entered into, “who can piss the furthest territory” huh??[/quote]
If that is what you got out of my post, I don’t know what to tell you.
I am really trying my hardest not insult you here, but you can’t honestly tell me that is what you fucking ascertained from “we prefer those that walk the walk, not just talk the talk”.
[quote]Well I’ll speak out of experience then. There was this short lil guy who walked around campus with the sickest set of lats and traps that I’d seen, yet never seen him in the gym, which was odd cuz it was the only one around and it was free to students, and state of the art at that. I’ll spare you the dumb assumptions I had instantly (i was much younger) so I asked the gym controller if he’d happen to see this lil freak physique around. Turns out this guy didn’t even work out, but was a gymnast. Now is this an everyday situation??? Hardly… But it totally blew my mind. I’ll leave you with this…
“The one unchangeable certainty is that nothing is unchangeable or certain.” John.F. Kennedy
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That has absolutely dick to do with the subject matter of my post, and I’m willing to bet it is 110% bullshit story fabricated by you in order to make some tangential point about nothing.
Look, no one gives a fuck want someone thinks if they haven’t accomplished anything. If you want to get BB’ing advice from people who have no real life experience and gymnasts, they enjoy, but pardon us while we don’t.
And another thing, take your dime store physiology bullshit to someone other board, and shove your JFK quotes up your ass. Don’t fucking patronize me.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am not against alternate exercises. I am against people without really huge traps acting like more exotic movements are to be recommended FIRST over the shit that actually hits traps directly.
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I lol’d at this statement tremendously. I’m sure there are a lot of people without huge traps that are very knowledgeable about physiology/anatomy/diet and training. To narrow it down like you have is sorta ‘self serving’ IMO. Hopefully I’m wrong
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This isn’t about who is most knowledgeable about anatomy and physiology. I am sure the average MD is more knowledgeable about “anatomy and physiology” than CT on this website. Does that mean they know how to train people to get big muscles better?
Please provide answer.
Yes, doing gymnastics builds muscles. That doesn’t mean the average gymnast has muscles as big as a bodybuilder or even average running back.
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Sure, answer provided…
Fact is I couldn’t give you a straight answer as to who is more qualified. I don’t think I’d narrowly say it’s the person with the big traps?? That person could have the worst form, injured themself countless times, and yet “big traps”. Would I still take advice from this person based on the fact he has ‘big traps’??? Maybe if I was the same person who’d buy lakefront property in florida (or whatever that funny saying is lol) Possibly it’s just my way of thinkin’, but I would not dismiss what someone may or may not know based solely on their appearance. Some may be hard gainers with smaller well defined traps, some might have the appearance of big traps and carry a high BF%. I just found it amusing, maybe the ‘people’ you mention are deservedly of the criticism, but even so, I think it’s a bit harsh.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes, doing gymnastics builds muscles.
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Adding to this for xxJokerxx sake – Being married to a former state champion gymnast who taught gymnastics for several years, I can say that gymnasts actually do lift weights. Every competitive gymnastics facility I’ve been in has had a pretty nice weight room. My daughter’s gymnastics gym is not to shabby.
I’d wager your buddy has done some kind of strength training besides throwing BW around on the rings.[/quote]
Well he wasn’t my buddy, but professed to not ever using weights, and attributed it to mainly the bodyweight exercises that he had to do for gymnastics. Whether he was sandbagging or not, I couldn’t give you a 100% answer. Do some or most gymnasts weight train? Quite possible, my best educated guess is that they don’t train the ‘bodybuilding’ route. Just my guess, I might be wrong. I also had a friend who kick boxed regularly and had some pretty decent traps too, and I can vouch the he rarely lifted weights on a regular basis (nothing that would attribute to any muscle gain) Again, different training, different stimulus, different results.
Dude, who cares about some guy you know?
Post his pics or stop with this.
Why would anyone here take your word for it that some guy is literally HUGE but never lifted weights?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
That has absolutely dick to do with the subject matter of my post, and I’m willing to bet it is 110% bullshit story fabricated by you in order to make some tangential point about nothing.
Look, no one gives a fuck want someone thinks if they haven’t accomplished anything. If you want to get BB’ing advice from people who have no real life experience and gymnasts, they enjoy, but pardon us while we don’t.
And another thing, take your dime store physiology bullshit to someone other board, and shove your JFK quotes up your ass. Don’t fucking patronize me. [/quote]
I can only lulz at this… yeah you busted me Columbo lol, get srs. Cuz’ the only people on the face of the earth that can have big traps are guys who ‘deadlift, shrug, upright row’ yada yada yada.
what is ‘what someone’s accomplished’ anyway?? and you base this one what?? An AVI picture? lulz, funny funny stuff. The initial remark was what I found amusing, and I admire that you come in defense or whatever of your mancrush, but whatever. So let me understand this, automatically the person who doesn’t fall into your training ideal, yet has ‘big traps’ is _______ ??? (please fill in the blank) I could care less if or who gives a fuck. And nowhere did I say take advice from non bodybuilders or gymnasts or whatever. I specifically said that I found it amusing that someone would base the credibility of someones advice based on their appearance or AVI picture, or thats what I meant to say anyway, if it came across differently then sucks to be me, otherwise meh
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
That has absolutely dick to do with the subject matter of my post, and I’m willing to bet it is 110% bullshit story fabricated by you in order to make some tangential point about nothing.
Look, no one gives a fuck want someone thinks if they haven’t accomplished anything. If you want to get BB’ing advice from people who have no real life experience and gymnasts, they enjoy, but pardon us while we don’t.
And another thing, take your dime store physiology bullshit to someone other board, and shove your JFK quotes up your ass. Don’t fucking patronize me. [/quote]
I can only lulz at this… yeah you busted me Columbo lol, get srs. Cuz’ the only people on the face of the earth that can have big traps are guys who ‘deadlift, shrug, upright row’ yada yada yada.
what is ‘what someone’s accomplished’ anyway?? and you base this one what?? An AVI picture? lulz, funny funny stuff. The initial remark was what I found amusing, and I admire that you come in defense or whatever of your mancrush, but whatever. So let me understand this, automatically the person who doesn’t fall into your training ideal, yet has ‘big traps’ is _______ ??? (please fill in the blank) I could care less if or who gives a fuck. And nowhere did I say take advice from non bodybuilders or gymnasts or whatever. I specifically said that I found it amusing that someone would base the credibility of someones advice based on their appearance or AVI picture, or thats what I meant to say anyway, if it came across differently then sucks to be me, otherwise meh[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, who cares about some guy you know?
Post his pics or stop with this.
Why would anyone here take your word for it that some guy is literally HUGE but never lifted weights?
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Well, I wish I had a camera phone back in 1995 (i’d of been so cool) during college so I could of asked a guy permission to take a picture for a forum I would be commenting on 16 years after the fact, but alas, it didn’t cross my mind, but I’m sure you’ll still be man enough to make a comment back on lack of pics.
JFC.
Someone posted a link to my blog, so I will chime in briefly cuz I don’t post here much. Like -5 times before.
I had no traps for years. It took a fucking concentrated effort, not unlike that of squeezing a Lexington Steel dildo into a chihuahua (not that I’ve tried this), to build em up to not being embarrassed.
Look, lifting is this simple.
More weight + more reps ALWAYS = a bigger you in some kind of way. Fact. With a caveat.
You won’t find a single mother fucker shrugging 600+ pounds for 20 reps that doesn’t have big traps. If he doesn’t, then he’s just fist fucking himself with the exercise. I won’t lie, shrugs are the most bullshitted exercise I ever see in the gym, with rows a close second.
I am not fond of shit shrugs and/or shit rows. The purpose of those two exercises is to work the traps and the rhomboids. A guy who shits himself doing these form wise will always end up shifting the work to whatever his body determines should be the prime movers for that movement.
So you really need to learn how to make the traps work, then go to overload. This is a god damn fact. Dave Tate talked about the fact that he grew more after he learned how to properly fire muscles under tension. From there progression is key. Heaving up shit always has it’s place in lifting. Deadlifting is about moving more and more weight through space. But if you’re monkey fucking the bar and humping up and down on it, claiming to do shrugs but your traps aren’t growing, then maybe you need to learn how to leave your ego at the door and start from scratch.
So if your traps aren’t growing, then it could be a muscular firing issue. Make sure you know how to stretch and squeeze that area under tension. After you have that down, proceed into loading more and more weight onto the bar. There is no god damn shrug lift in powerlifting or strongman. So use the shrug and row for what it’s designed for. To hypertrophy those areas.
This has taken my traps from non existent to semi respectable. But it’s time to notch it up a new level.
[quote]RealPC wrote:
JFC.
Someone posted a link to my blog, so I will chime in briefly cuz I don’t post here much. Like -5 times before.
I had no traps for years. It took a fucking concentrated effort, not unlike that of squeezing a Lexington Steel dildo into a chihuahua (not that I’ve tried this), to build em up to not being embarrassed.
Look, lifting is this simple.
More weight + more reps ALWAYS = a bigger you in some kind of way. Fact. With a caveat.
You won’t find a single mother fucker shrugging 600+ pounds for 20 reps that doesn’t have big traps. If he doesn’t, then he’s just fist fucking himself with the exercise. I won’t lie, shrugs are the most bullshitted exercise I ever see in the gym, with rows a close second.
I am not fond of shit shrugs and/or shit rows. The purpose of those two exercises is to work the traps and the rhomboids. A guy who shits himself doing these form wise will always end up shifting the work to whatever his body determines should be the prime movers for that movement.
So you really need to learn how to make the traps work, then go to overload. This is a god damn fact. Dave Tate talked about the fact that he grew more after he learned how to properly fire muscles under tension. From there progression is key. Heaving up shit always has it’s place in lifting. Deadlifting is about moving more and more weight through space. But if you’re monkey fucking the bar and humping up and down on it, claiming to do shrugs but your traps aren’t growing, then maybe you need to learn how to leave your ego at the door and start from scratch.
So if your traps aren’t growing, then it could be a muscular firing issue. Make sure you know how to stretch and squeeze that area under tension. After you have that down, proceed into loading more and more weight onto the bar. There is no god damn shrug lift in powerlifting or strongman. So use the shrug and row for what it’s designed for. To hypertrophy those areas.
This has taken my traps from non existent to semi respectable. But it’s time to notch it up a new level.
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Now you stop that.
Everyone KNOWS that doing flips on a mat gives you big ass traps.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]RealPC wrote:
JFC.
Someone posted a link to my blog, so I will chime in briefly cuz I don’t post here much. Like -5 times before.
I had no traps for years. It took a fucking concentrated effort, not unlike that of squeezing a Lexington Steel dildo into a chihuahua (not that I’ve tried this), to build em up to not being embarrassed.
Look, lifting is this simple.
More weight + more reps ALWAYS = a bigger you in some kind of way. Fact. With a caveat.
You won’t find a single mother fucker shrugging 600+ pounds for 20 reps that doesn’t have big traps. If he doesn’t, then he’s just fist fucking himself with the exercise. I won’t lie, shrugs are the most bullshitted exercise I ever see in the gym, with rows a close second.
I am not fond of shit shrugs and/or shit rows. The purpose of those two exercises is to work the traps and the rhomboids. A guy who shits himself doing these form wise will always end up shifting the work to whatever his body determines should be the prime movers for that movement.
So you really need to learn how to make the traps work, then go to overload. This is a god damn fact. Dave Tate talked about the fact that he grew more after he learned how to properly fire muscles under tension. From there progression is key. Heaving up shit always has it’s place in lifting. Deadlifting is about moving more and more weight through space. But if you’re monkey fucking the bar and humping up and down on it, claiming to do shrugs but your traps aren’t growing, then maybe you need to learn how to leave your ego at the door and start from scratch.
So if your traps aren’t growing, then it could be a muscular firing issue. Make sure you know how to stretch and squeeze that area under tension. After you have that down, proceed into loading more and more weight onto the bar. There is no god damn shrug lift in powerlifting or strongman. So use the shrug and row for what it’s designed for. To hypertrophy those areas.
This has taken my traps from non existent to semi respectable. But it’s time to notch it up a new level.
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Now you stop that.
Everyone KNOWS that doing flips on a mat gives you big ass traps.
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haha touche, but I never professed either way, I just admitted to a snap judgement I made when I saw this guy, learned from it, and commented on it here. Whether you think certain things are impossible or not is no care of mine, I just had a laugh at the
training credibility = avi pics
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
training credibility = avi pics[/quote]
Only if it’s really you.
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, who cares about some guy you know?
Post his pics or stop with this.
Why would anyone here take your word for it that some guy is literally HUGE but never lifted weights?
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Well, I wish I had a camera phone back in 1995 (i’d of been so cool) during college so I could of asked a guy permission to take a picture for a forum I would be commenting on 16 years after the fact, but alas, it didn’t cross my mind, but I’m sure you’ll still be man enough to make a comment back on lack of pics.
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He gave you the alternative “stop with this”. Please do.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:
haha touche, but I never professed either way, I just admitted to a snap judgement I made when I saw this guy, learned from it, and commented on it here. Whether you think certain things are impossible or not is no care of mine, I just had a laugh at the
training credibility = avi pics
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Only if it’s really you.[/quote]
Whoooooaaaaaaaa… Fixed
if you’re gonna quote me, please don’t do it out of context, that’s definitely a quote
“training credibility = avi pics”
that I wouldn’t want to be attributed to me. You just made it sound like i believe that lulz. no offense taken… cheers
What runs through my mind every time I open up a trap oriented forum.
I’m genetically disposed towards larger shoulders and traps, but I’ve seen the most results with dumbbell shrugs HIT style, power cleans, deadlifts, and rows.
Basically, what every big motherfucker has been advocating in the first place.
EDIT: Can’t embed. Damn.
Deadlifts, cleans and barbell lunges all in one workout = trap soreness for a good 4 days