[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I think the funniest part of this thread has been SM saying he doesn’t care what the so-called experts have to say, but then keeps spouting like we should be listening to him instead.[/quote]
Actually the term I used was “so called experts.” I don’t intellectually prostrate myself to anyone who is a designated “expert.” Einstein was a patent office clerk when he developed the theory of relativity.[/quote]
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Yes. And I learned a great deal more about history in my own study than I did at university.
You come off pretty jealous of the rest of the world doing what they want sexually? I think you’re on a bit of a dry spell and you’re pretty pissed off at what other people are doing. At the very minimum you’re certainly thinking about gays and transgendered people more than anyone else on this forum. Usually those who protest loudest are the most curious and the ones that get caught with the same sex.
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Lol. There may very well be some truth in that. However I’m not protesting loudly that I’m straight. I don’t give a shit whether you think I’m gay or not. I’m perfectly comfortable with who I am.
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Hard to get laid when you’re recovering from a major injury. [/quote]
Well I was in a wheelchair for about six weeks but that was in January/February. My only problem now is pain in my feet due to nerve damage and back pain from fractured vertebrae.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So what is the point of this thread again? The summary of this story is a person with a possible mental disorder but has normal communication and human interaction skills is giving a speech for a private organization that none of us are probably members of. Has this kind of thing never happened before?
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Peering through the looking glass at the strange and terrifying world we now inhabit. Kind of like gawking in mesmerised horror and fascination at a fatal car crash.
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What is the course of action we should take to prevent this from happening again?[/quote]
Too late. Just stockpile weapons, ammunition, water purification tablets and canned goods then get ready for the dissolution of western civilisation.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
SM, you reek of illusory superiority.
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Because I don’t hold the discipline of psychology in much regard?
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Yet you feel compelled to make psychological analysis all the time that basically boils down to “they must be crazy because I think so.”
Which is essentially a gigantic waste of time for discussion because all your doing is giving an opinion that is based on nothing but the way you feel about something.
[quote]H factor wrote:
Yet you feel compelled to make psychological analysis all the time that basically boils down to “they must be crazy because I think so.”
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Actually the DSM classifies transsexualism a mental disorder. Who am I to argue with the experts?
Insanity. It’s not just a mental illness. It’s also an identity. Men in dresses claim that gender is in the mind, not in the body. If you think you’re a woman, then you are a woman. What used to be a minor form of eccentric insanity has now become educational policy in schools.
But why stop at gender when you can also do species? There are people who believe that their true identity is that of an animal. And who is to say that species isn’t in the mind, just like gender is in the mind?
This isn’t just a thought-experiment or satire. It’s reality.
Species dysphoria is the equivalent of Gender dysphoria. Mentally ill persons with gender dysphoria are fashionably diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder. There is as of yet no Species Identity Disorder, but that is no doubt coming.
Like Trannies, Transpecies Americans create special pronouns for themselves and insist that refusing to pretend that they?re cats or wolves is a hate crime.
Like most newly minted civil rights groups, Trannies are intolerant of Transpecies Americans accusing them of only pretending to think that they’re cats and playing the old, “How dare you compare your pain to my pain and your imaginary identity to my imaginary identity” game…
See the problem is that there’s no limit on boundaries once you begin breaking them. Then you can no longer shut the door and say that X is legitimate but Y isn’t. Once you begin claiming that identity is a mental construct, then you can’t begin insisting on the primacy of genetic identity.
If you accept transgender, then you also have to accept transpecies and every other conceivable thing. If a man who believes he’s a woman has a real problem that has to be solved with surgery to make him resemble a woman, then a man who think he’s a dolphin must be given whatever surgery he needs to look like a dolphin.
[quote]H factor wrote:
Yet you feel compelled to make psychological analysis all the time that basically boils down to “they must be crazy because I think so.”
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Actually the DSM classifies transsexualism a mental disorder. Who am I to argue with the experts?
[quote]H factor wrote:
Yet you feel compelled to make psychological analysis all the time that basically boils down to “they must be crazy because I think so.”
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Actually the DSM classifies transsexualism a mental disorder. Who am I to argue with the experts?
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You sure about that?
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Yes I am. The DSM5 isn’t in use yet. Additionally, as I’ve already stated I don’t give a shit what these pseudoscientific quacks say. In your own link they openly say they’ve changed it to appease drag queens. How fucking unscientific can you get? They don’t even try to hide the fact that they’ve changed their findings to make sure drag queens don’t feel “stigmatised.” It’s a fucking joke. Any guy who makes believe he’s a woman and/or castrates himself is utterly batshit. End of story.
[quote]H factor wrote:
Yet you feel compelled to make psychological analysis all the time that basically boils down to “they must be crazy because I think so.”
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Actually the DSM classifies transsexualism a mental disorder. Who am I to argue with the experts?
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You sure about that?
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Yes I am. The DSM5 isn’t in use yet. Additionally, as I’ve already stated I don’t give a shit what these pseudoscientific quacks say. In your own link they openly say they’ve changed it to appease drag queens. How fucking unscientific can you get? They don’t even try to hide the fact that they’ve changed their findings to make sure drag queens don’t feel “stigmatised.” It’s a fucking joke. Any guy who makes believe he’s a woman and/or castrates himself is utterly batshit. End of story.
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So you care about the experts and then you don’t care about the experts. Cool.
Who the fuck are you to attempt to act like you know what it is like for these people? You’re a fucktard who reads Mass Resistance running around calling everyone a lunatic for some god awful reason. A grown man obsessed with thinking about and posting about men’s genitals and who people decide to sleep with. Someone so fucking scared about this shit they are stockpiling stuff in case the drag queens come to get them? This forum is essentially your own personal blog where you post about how awful it is that some people feel differently than you do. I wonder why I even sign in for this shit. What a waste of time. Pick a new topic for once. You’re injured and you’ve decided to fill your time by letting everyone know how pissed off you are that some people are different than how you think everyone else should be.
So you care about the experts and then you don’t care about the experts. Cool.
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No I don’t care about psychologists’/psychiatrists’ public opinion based findings about transsexuals and homosexuals.
I’m not. However I don’t believe the bullshit being pushed by Marxist professors about gender. For me it’s really quite simple: boys have penis; girls have a vagina; and boys who want to cut their penis off and castrate themselves are fucking crazy.
Not everyone no.
Lol! I’m not scared of drag queens coming to get me. I am concerned about authoritarian government however.
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This forum is essentially your own personal blog where you post about how awful it is that some people feel differently than you do. I wonder why I even sign in for this shit. What a waste of time. Pick a new topic for once. You’re injured and you’ve decided to fill your time by letting everyone know how pissed off you are that some people are different than how you think everyone else should be. [/quote]
Actually I’m a pretty mellow guy. You seem to be quite angry however.
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Like Trannies, Transpecies Americans create special pronouns for themselves and insist that refusing to pretend that they?re cats or wolves is a hate crime.[/quote]
They call themselves “otherkin” :
I can’t wait until they start asking surgeons to physically reveal their true selves.
And a few decades later, geneticians will have to design their post-human babies.
Speaking of babies, I’m wondering how long till there will be sensitivity training and advocacy groups for men who like to pretend to be babies and shit in diapers.
After all that’s their identity. Who are we to question it? We don’t know what diaper fetishists go through having to hide in the closet and pretend to be adults.
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Speaking of babies, I’m wondering how long till there will be sensitivity training and advocacy groups for men who like to pretend to be babies and shit in diapers.[/quote]
The end of the slippery slope doesn’t really matter.
We don’t know every details, but we already know the general direction.
I understand your points and your perspective, but i doesn’t share your tragic ethos and your taste for the “baroud d’honneur”.
IMO, there is two more interesting and more useful questions :
Where did it all begin ?
And i’m afraid it started well before the 60s.
Maybe the whole notion of “(natural) rights” was flawed from the start…
what kind of civilization will come after this decadence ?
And i would not be surprised if we could find the first sign of a new life in the most rotten parts of our culture.
Which is why i try to not look at all this in disgust.
The end of the slippery slope doesn’t really matter.
We don’t know every details, but we already know the general direction.
I understand your points and your perspective, but i doesn’t share your tragic ethos and your taste for the “baroud d’honneur”.
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The baroud d’honneur is not a deliberate fatalistic choice. It’s the only alternative I have to embracing absolute nihilism - something I categorically refuse to do.
I assume you mean the notion of individual liberty based on the protection of inalienable rights as espoused by Locke and Montesquieu. I actually agree. And the alternative? An ultra-conservative, insular society like Sparta or Imperial Japan. I don’t believe that a society like that would fare any better in the long run. And I don’t believe that any political system is supreme because in the end man cannot escape his own nature.
Well, look at historical precedents. Anomie in Mycenaean Greece existed just prior to the complete destruction of Greece by the Romans. Anomie in Rome existed just prior to the complete destruction of Rome by the Goths, Visigoths and Islamic fundamentalists. What civilisation will come after this one? Who knows? What I do know is it won’t be “our” civilisation. It will be someone else’s.
I’m not sure this is the only alternative. And this one seems extremely improbable to me.
Tomorrow’s world will gravitate around a few tentacular, interconnected megalopolis.
Maybe those city-states could need an “updated” version of machiavellianism and/or the maritime republicanism of the Renaissance.
I’m not sure human nature will mean much when we will be able to technologically manipulate it.
On the other hand, the roman invaders hellenized themselves. Germanic barbarians romanized themselves. Mongolians hordes sinized themselves…
The next civilization could be much more yours than you (or “them”) imagine.
Given the choice between preserving the honor of my bloodline or preserving the sparks of civilization, i will mournfully choose the latter.
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There is really no way to predict what political system will arise from the ashes of the current one.[/quote]
I don’t think we are burning.
I think we are rotting (and that we have been rotting for quite a long time now).
That’s why i’m trying to look at all this as humus, not ashes.
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I don’t see any sign of that happening and have no reason to believe it ever will.[/quote]
Genetic selection and manipulation are technically possible.
And i don’t see what could prevent it to happen in a society who already think that the adequate answer to gender dysphoria is sex reassignment surgery
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Culture not bloodline. I do not subscribe to ideas of racial superiority. [/quote]
I know you don’t. I was just stretching the dichotomy a bit.