“We at Washington National Cathedral are striving to send a message of love and affirmation, especially to LGBT youth…We want to proclaim to them as proudly and unequivocally as we can: Your gender identity is good and your sexual orientation is good…”
Somewhere a God that doesn’t exist doesn’t give a shit.
Meanwhile here in end of the world PWI it will be a huge deal because we have a lot of people obsessed with those different from them. And who’s thoughts are dominated by those who are gay or transgendered thinking about it and talking about it far more than those gay and transgendered.
Hate on. Place has become far too predictable for my liking.
[quote]H factor wrote:
Hate on.
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I’m just curious to know what people think about a priest castrating himself, dressing as a woman and holding sermons encouraging others to do the same. Would you say a man who has his penis and balls removed is mentally ill? Would he make a good community and spiritual leader? Would you be happy for him to teach your children?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Hate on.
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I’m just curious to know what people think about a priest castrating himself, dressing as a woman and holding sermons encouraging others to do the same. Would you say a man who has his penis and balls removed is mentally ill? Would he make a good community and spiritual leader? Would you be happy for him to teach your children?[/quote]
I would say a man who posts on T-Nation about transgendered and gay people all day long may be mentally ill or at best in need of a new hobby. I would say a man who reads hate sites like Mass Resistance is probably a pretty poor person to attempt to judge the sanity of others.
Also I don’t know the man and have never spoken to him so how would I know if he would be a good community leader? How would I know if I would be happy for him to teach my children? Brian Camenker hates those who are different from him. I’d rather my children learned from someone who was not preaching hatred and irrational paranoia than from him. You have no idea how it feels to be the man in question, but you have no problem judging him and looking down on him.
I wouldn’t want my children to read the vast majority of your irrational paranoid postings. Look though you sneaked in yet another penis based post.
Have a good one. I’ve got things to do I’m getting married this week. To a female even! Shocking despite defending gay people I know.
[quote]H factor wrote:
You have no idea how it feels to be the man in question, but you have no problem judging him and looking down on him.
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He’s chosen to publicly identity as a transsexual and gone to enormous lengths to alter his appearance so other people will see him as a transsexual. He even has the chutzpah to advocate transsexualism from the pulpit. It’s exhibitionism plain and simple.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m just curious to know what people think about a priest castrating himself[/quote]
The only testicles I care about are my own, and I’ve still got them.
Also, self-castration is not remotely close to the craziest thing a (celebrated) Christian has done to himself.
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dressing as a woman[/quote]
Religion is brimming with silly, and often feminine, outfits.
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Would you say a man who has his penis and balls removed is mentally ill?[/quote]
It depends on what definition one chooses for “mentally ill,” but if the parameters are inclusive enough to encompass recipients of sex changes, they are also inclusive enough to encompass people who devote their lives to the belief that a man rose from the dead a couple millennia ago…because “here’s this old book, and it says so!” Which is to say that he was mentally ill anyway. (Under such an inclusive definition of the term, that is.)
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Would you be happy for him to teach your children?[/quote]
My happiness with a given teacher is 100 percent independent of his/her cock’s shape, size, appearance, or non-existence.
FTR, my previous post was half a joke.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
The only testicles I care about are my own, and I’ve still got them.
Also, self-castration is not remotely close to the craziest thing a (celebrated) Christian has done to himself.
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Regardless, I can’t help but feel that castrating oneself is “not quite right” for want of a better phrase.
That’s really besides the point. This guy is wearing women’s clothes not men’s clothes that look effeminate.
Well no it’s not that inclusive because, for starters, well over a hundred million people in the United States believe that. But only a small number of people choose to be castrated and dress as a woman.
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My happiness with a given teacher is 100 percent independent of his/her cock’s shape, size, appearance, or non-existence.[/quote]
But the problem lies herein: the fact that some guy castrates himself and dresses as a woman is likely to be indicative of psychological problems and sexual deviancy.
Who cares? What if “God” told him to do it? I mean “God” told Noah to build an arc. “God” told Abraham to kill his son. “God” told Hosea to marry a prostitute… “God” has made some pretty unreasonable requests over the years. What if “God” was testing this man’s faith? Who the hell are you to judge? Do you know more than “God”?
This person could be WAAAAAAAY “holier” than you, and you just don’t know it!
And don’t come back with the, “well that’s highly unlikely” bullshit. Your whole religion is “highly unlikely”.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Well no it’s not that inclusive because, for starters, well over a hundred million people in the United States believe that.[/quote]
Argumentum ad populum.
As you know, that many people believe something has no necessary bearing on whether the substance of the belief is logically or evidentially justified. [In 2010, 18 percent of Americans–55 million people–believed Obama was a Muslim. All this proved was that 55 million Americans were really fucking stupid, and possibly “mentally ill.”]
I am not joking when I say that, if “mentally ill” is defined broadly enough to encompass TG people, then I consider its definition broad enough to encompass religious people as well.
The fact that he wants to devote his life to a guy whom a very old book says rose from the dead 2000 years ago is indicative of psychological problems. The castration thing is supererogatory.
As for “sexual deviancy,” I don’t care about adults and the adults they fuck in private. Or are you suggesting that he’s going to rape kids?
All of the points I raised have been secular. Which begs the question, why attack religious faith in response to questions about transsexualism?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Regardless, I can’t help but feel that castrating oneself is “not quite right” for want of a better phrase.
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I would certainly agree, so far as my own equipment is concerned.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
As you know, that many people believe something has no necessary bearing on whether the substance of the belief is logically or evidentially justified.
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But it does have a bearing on whether certain behaviour and personality traits should be considered abnormal. Mental illness is largely based on the assumption that the individual’s psychology is aberrant.
I wonder what could possibly have given them that idea.
Let’s just say I wouldn’t take the risk. I also wouldn’t want him telling children that transsexualism is good. And I wouldn’t want children to be frightened and confused by a man dressed as a woman.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
But it does have a bearing on whether certain behaviour and personality traits should be considered abnormal. Mental illness is largely based on the assumption that the individual’s psychology is aberrant.
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There are many different ways to define such a large term as “mental illness.” If you’re talking precise, clinical, accurate definitions, you’re at odds with reputable, current psychology.
If you’re talking definitions we get to come up with ourselves–and you seem to be–then the religious are candidates in the same was that gays are (in my book).
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I wonder what could possibly have given them that idea.[/quote]
There is no mystery: Stupid people believe stupid things.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m just curious to know what people think about a priest castrating himself[/quote]
The only testicles I care about are my own, and I’ve still got them.
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You remember that famous quote from Nieballer right?
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First they came for the Socialist’s balls, and I did not speak out–
Because I did not have Socialist’s balls.
Then they came for the Trade Unionist’s balls, and I did not speak out–
Because I did not have Trade Unionist’s balls.
Then they came for the Jew’s balls, and I did not speak out–
Because I did not have Jew balls.
Then they came for my balls–and there was no one left to speak for my balls. [/quote]
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m just curious to know what people think about a priest castrating himself[/quote]
The only testicles I care about are my own, and I’ve still got them.
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You remember that famous quote from Nieballer right?
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First they came for the Socialist’s balls, and I did not speak out–
Because I did not have Socialist’s balls.
Then they came for the Trade Unionist’s balls, and I did not speak out–
Because I did not have Trade Unionist’s balls.
Then they came for the Jew’s balls, and I did not speak out–
Because I did not have Jew balls.
Then they came for my balls–and there was no one left to speak for my balls. [/quote][/quote]
Well done, sir.
I almost forgot Mr. Donne, as well:
Mental illness, n
- (Pathology) any of various disorders in which a person’s thoughts, emotions, or behaviour are so abnormal as to cause suffering to himself, herself, or other people.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Mental illness, n
- (Pathology) any of various disorders in which a person’s thoughts, emotions, or behaviour are so abnormal as to cause suffering to himself, herself, or other people.
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Again:
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Meaning is fluid. Define “abnormal.” Surely you know that I can define it differently, yes?
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If you are arguing that homosexuality is a mental illness, you are at odds with current psychology–i.e., you are directly contradicted by the people who study and determine the relevant criteria and definitions for the field of psychology.
So we have you, who are not an expert, saying X, and we have the experts saying ~X, and the choice is easy for us.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Regardless, I can’t help but feel that castrating oneself is “not quite right” for want of a better phrase.
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I would certainly agree, so far as my own equipment is concerned.[/quote]
Apotemnophilia:
Body integrity identity disorder (BIID, also referred to as amputee identity disorder is a psychological disorder wherein sufferers feel they would be happier living as an amputee…
BIID is typically accompanied by the desire to amputate one or more healthy limbs to achieve that end.
So amputating one’s limbs is not a sign of mental illness and you have no problem with people being encouraged to do so?
Paraphilic infantilism:
…a sexual fetish for some that involves role-playing a regression to an infant-like state.[3][4] Behaviors may include drinking from a bottle or wearing diapers.
Nothing wrong with that right? No mental illness there. I’d be proud to have someone like that teach at a kindergarten dressed in a diaper.
Necrophilia:
Mr Brown is applying for the night watchmen at the morgue. No discrimination please.
Plushophilia:
Plushophilia (from “plushie” and “-philia”) is a paraphilia involving stuffed animals.
Mr Smith is applying for the position of assistant manager of our toy shop. I’m sure you don’t need to be reminded of what we learned in our sensitivity training last week.
Pyrophilia:
Mr Clarke is a volunteer fire fighter.
Telephone scatologia:
An obscene phone call is an unsolicited telephone call where a person derives sexual pleasure by using sexual or foul language to an unknown person.
Mr Harvey is our new telesales manager.
Zoophilia:
Mr Johnson is applying for the zookeeper position.
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Again:
- Meaning is fluid.
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If you want to discuss linguistics I should point out that dictionaries don’t necessarily record the meanings of words as is commonly believed. They record the usages of words. For example the correct meaning of the word “problematic” is “uncertainty.” But due to the widespread misuse of the word dictionaries now also include “containing problems” amongst its usages. So language may be fluid but meaning is not.
What is apparent is that you will favour any meaning or more correctly “usage” that allows you to treat transsexualism as normal.
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- If you are arguing that homosexuality is a mental illness, you are at odds with current psychology–i.e., you are directly contradicted by the people who study and determine the relevant criteria and definitions for the field of psychology.
So we have you, who are not an expert, saying X, and we have the experts saying ~X, and the choice is easy for us.[/quote]
Funny you mention that. Psychologists considered homosexuality a mental illness from the start. Do you know how it changed? Homosexual activists picketed psychologists’ conferences all over the world and there was widespread condemnation of the psychological community in the media. Then all of a sudden in the 70’s they suddenly changed their mind and removed it from the DSM. I’m sure it was a disinterested decision based entirely on science and had nothing to do with the negative publicity they were receiving.