[quote]NickViar wrote:
I agree that it’s foolish to criticize people who criticize gays[/quote]
And why is that?[/quote]
Their words hurt no one. [/quote]
Yes, because being told that you are eternally condemned to burn in Hell and that you’re a sexual deviant detrimental to your fellow man based on your inate sexual orientation has never caused a homosexual in the modern era to feel like a second class citizen or to commit suicide. And homosexuals have never been persecuted for who they love historically. [/quote]
People of faith are regularly told they are crackpots, mentally deficient, bigoted throwbacks. However it doesn’t bother me in the least and I certainly don’t advocate restrictions on free speech, sensitivity training, forcing others to validate my beliefs or teaching the tenets of my faith to other people’s children.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
I agree that it’s foolish to criticize people who criticize gays[/quote]
And why is that?[/quote]
Their words hurt no one. [/quote]
Yes, because being told that you are eternally condemned to burn in Hell and that you’re a sexual deviant detrimental to your fellow man based on your inate sexual orientation has never caused a homosexual in the modern era to feel like a second class citizen or to commit suicide. And homosexuals have never been persecuted for who they love historically. [/quote]
People of faith are regularly told they are crackpots, mentally deficient, bigoted throwbacks. However it doesn’t bother me in the least and I certainly don’t advocate restrictions on free speech, sensitivity training, forcing others to validate my beliefs or teaching the tenets of my faith to other people’s children.
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Yet you are not legally and socially discriminated against. Pity.
Yet you are not legally and socially discriminated against. Pity.[/quote]
Bullshit. A decorated soldier who served in Afghanistan and Iraq was recently dishonourably discharged for refusing to march in a gay pride parade.
Executives are fired for donating to organisations gays have blacklisted. They’re forced to participate in gay weddings. They have to go against their fundamental beliefs or suffer social stigmatisation, ostracisation, persecution, slander, insults, loss of employment and criminal prosecution. Cross the Poo Fucks Klan and your life will be destroyed.
This guy’s pathological problem caused him such distress that he had himself castrated and dismembered. If it’s your contention…[/quote]
This is not about my contention.
This is about fact.
My argument was assembled of direct quotations from your own source.
There is nothing for me to contend. You cannot diagnose this priest with a mental disorder contingent upon the manifestation of body-identity distress without proving that that such distress is manifested in the specific case (and indeed, given that this person underwent a surgical procedure to align body and identity, you’ve got your work cut out for you).
Also, because you are not trained in the discipline of psychological diagnosis, your opinion would be meaningless even if you were to undertake the necessary personal evaluation (which, of course, you have not).
[quote]NickViar wrote:
I agree that it’s foolish to criticize people who criticize gays[/quote]
And why is that?[/quote]
Their words hurt no one. [/quote]
Ah? You mean physical hurt?
So it is ipso facto foolish to criticize any statement or action that does not physically hurt someone else? In what universe?
And when you say that it is foolish to criticize people who criticize gays, is it your contention that people who criticize people who criticize gays are causing harm? Because to call an act “foolish” is to criticize.
My argument was assembled of direct quotations from your own source.
There is nothing for me to contend. You cannot diagnose this priest with a mental disorder contingent upon the manifestation of body-identity distress without proving that that such distress is manifested in the specific case (and indeed, given that this person underwent a surgical procedure to align body and identity, you’ve got your work cut out for you).
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It is the contention of so called experts that transsexualism is a mental disorder and that castration and genital mutilation is a successful treatment of that disorder. Therefore by logical extension amputation of limbs is a successful treatment for apotemnophilia. And wearing diapers and sucking on a baby’s bottle is a successful treatment for paraphilic infantilism. Whilst I’m not a psychologist, I would venture to argue that the best treatment for a grown man who wants to castrate himself or wear diapers would be a straight jacket, a padded room and a heavy dose of Thorazine.
Again, although I’m not a qualified expert I feel confident in my determination that a man who wants to castrate himself and wear a dress is someone likely to be mentally unstable and a sexual deviant. So I will drop the medical term “mentally ill” and substitute the layman’s term “crazy.”
This whole thread is dumb. If you’re going to talk theology then it is clear he is in violation of Catholic doctrine and should not be allowed to be a priest. This is rsther clear cut on a number of levels. If on the other hand you’re arguing all this other shit then I don’t care and I’m starting to think SM has some issues regarding this topic.
Again, theology according to Catholic Canon is pretty clear on the point, so that’s really all there is to it if you consider the idea that your priests/pastors should be model examples of the faith being preached.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
This whole thread is dumb. If you’re going to talk theology then it is clear he is in violation of Catholic doctrine and should not be allowed to be a priest.
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Why would one argue Catholic theology in a thread about an Episcopalian priest?
Then don’t participate. I do care and given the number of responses it would appear that other people do too.
So your contribution is what? I don’t care about this shit and I’m going to imply that the OP is a repressed homosexual? Great. Thanks for stopping by.
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Again, theology according to Catholic Canon is pretty clear on the point, so that’s really all there is to it if you consider the idea that your priests/pastors should be model examples of the faith being preached. [/quote]
Again, Catholic theology is not relevant. Episcopal or Anglican theology may be but I haven’t explored that area because it is of little interest to me.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Whilst I’m not a psychologist, I would venture to argue that the best treatment for a grown man who wants to castrate himself or wear diapers would be a straight jacket, a padded room and a heavy dose of Thorazine.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Whilst I’m not a psychologist, I would venture to argue that the best treatment for a grown man who wants to castrate himself or wear diapers would be a straight jacket, a padded room and a heavy dose of Thorazine.
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By compulsion, I’m assuming?[/quote]
It was kind of a throw away line. But nonetheless, perhaps someone who wants to engage in genital mutilation should be prevented from doing so.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Whilst I’m not a psychologist, I would venture to argue that the best treatment for a grown man who wants to castrate himself or wear diapers would be a straight jacket, a padded room and a heavy dose of Thorazine.
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By compulsion, I’m assuming?[/quote]
It was kind of a throw away line. But nonetheless, perhaps someone who wants to engage in genital mutilation should be prevented from doing so.
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Whilst I’m not a psychologist, I would venture to argue that the best treatment for a grown man who wants to castrate himself or wear diapers would be a straight jacket, a padded room and a heavy dose of Thorazine.
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By compulsion, I’m assuming?[/quote]
It was kind of a throw away line. But nonetheless, perhaps someone who wants to engage in genital mutilation should be prevented from doing so.
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So, are you against circumcision?[/quote]
I knew someone would come back with that one. Try to understand, cutting a small piece of foreskin off is not the same thing as cutting off your entire dick and castrating yourself. The two are not remotely comparable. They are chalk and cheese; apples and oranges.
Again, although I’m not a qualified expert I feel confident in my determination that a man who wants to castrate himself and wear a dress is someone likely to be mentally unstable and a sexual deviant. So I will drop the medical term “mentally ill” and substitute the layman’s term “crazy.”
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Of course, you can call anybody crazy in layman’s terms. And anybody could call you crazy for believing the things you do about gays and transsexuals. There isn’t much either of us could do about it.
I’m taking issue with the suggestion of a clinical diagnosis.
I knew someone would come back with that one. Try to understand, cutting a small piece of foreskin off is not the same thing as cutting off your entire dick and castrating yourself. The two are not remotely comparable. They are chalk and cheese; apples and oranges.
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You are correct that they are not comparable in terms of magnitude.
However, I’d say that cutting part of your dick off–or doing anything, really–because you think that a magical man-being wants you to is fucking batshit crazy. In layman’s terms, mind you.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Whilst I’m not a psychologist, I would venture to argue that the best treatment for a grown man who wants to castrate himself or wear diapers would be a straight jacket, a padded room and a heavy dose of Thorazine.
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By compulsion, I’m assuming?[/quote]
It was kind of a throw away line. But nonetheless, perhaps someone who wants to engage in genital mutilation should be prevented from doing so.
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Or perhaps every person has absolute autonomy over their own dong and to suggest otherwise is to pine for actual slavery to the state.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Whilst I’m not a psychologist, I would venture to argue that the best treatment for a grown man who wants to castrate himself or wear diapers would be a straight jacket, a padded room and a heavy dose of Thorazine.
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By compulsion, I’m assuming?[/quote]
It was kind of a throw away line. But nonetheless, perhaps someone who wants to engage in genital mutilation should be prevented from doing so.
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Or perhaps every person has absolute autonomy over their own dong and to suggest otherwise is to pine for actual slavery to the state.[/quote]
Possibly yes. How to deal with people intent in harming themselves is a difficult issue and I don’t presume to have the answer to the problem. However I do feel confident in my belief that a guy who wants to emasculate themselves and dress as a woman is a few sheep short in the top paddock; in layman’s terms of course.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Ah? You mean physical hurt?[/quote]
Yes.
Yes.
No. I know it is, and it’s no less foolish for me to criticize something on an online message board than it is for anyone to criticize anything else without a victim.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Whilst I’m not a psychologist, I would venture to argue that the best treatment for a grown man who wants to castrate himself or wear diapers would be a straight jacket, a padded room and a heavy dose of Thorazine.
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By compulsion, I’m assuming?[/quote]
It was kind of a throw away line. But nonetheless, perhaps someone who wants to engage in genital mutilation should be prevented from doing so.
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Or perhaps every person has absolute autonomy over their own dong and to suggest otherwise is to pine for actual slavery to the state.[/quote]
Possibly yes. How to deal with people intent in harming themselves is a difficult issue and I don’t presume to have the answer to the problem. However I do feel confident in my belief that a guy who wants to emasculate themselves and dress as a woman is a few sheep short in the top paddock; in layman’s terms of course.
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You may be surprised to learn than, in layman’s terms and from my subjective vantage, I agree. I certainly would worry that I was going nuts if I began wishing I no longer had a dick.
However, if they want to do it, they are free to.
And, in layman’s terms, I think that about two thirds of the people I meet and converse with are “a few sheep short in the top paddock.” I think Muslims are, for example. Does this mean I think Muslims are unqualified to teach math to 5th graders, or religion to college students? No.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Whilst I’m not a psychologist, I would venture to argue that the best treatment for a grown man who wants to castrate himself or wear diapers would be a straight jacket, a padded room and a heavy dose of Thorazine.
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By compulsion, I’m assuming?[/quote]
It was kind of a throw away line. But nonetheless, perhaps someone who wants to engage in genital mutilation should be prevented from doing so.
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So, are you against circumcision?[/quote]
I knew someone would come back with that one. Try to understand, cutting a small piece of foreskin off is not the same thing as cutting off your entire dick and castrating yourself. The two are not remotely comparable. They are chalk and cheese; apples and oranges.
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Do not try and play it down as if the foreskin is a callous and lets not gloss over the fact that it is done with out any consent. Why would having circumcision done to appease God not be a mental disorder?
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Ah? You mean physical hurt?[/quote]
Yes.
Yes.
No. I know it is, and it’s no less foolish for me to criticize something on an online message board than it is for anyone to criticize anything else without a victim.
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Well then at least we are literally all fools by your standards.
But, then, you are a fool by your standards too, and should we really pay heed to the opinions of a fool?