it varies person to person. just like lifing and what exercises work better for some people.
One thing I forgot to add. I workout three times per week forty five minutes max. I have to concentrate on nutrition and supplementation seven days a week for the most part. I would agree with the nutrition is at least 75% of the ballgame.
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I think it’s useless to pin a percentage on it. And both are quite important. But I’d say diet. Because you can have the best training program in the world and you won’t put on size unless you are a real beginner if you’re really undereating.
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dez6485 wrote:
martin blank wrote:
I’d say it depends on the individual. For me, diet is far more important than training. That’s not to say training doesn’t matter at all, it does. But, my training has been modified slightly (more squats and deadlifts) during my successful stints at getting bigger. My diet, on the other hand, was modified a great deal.
I worked out for 3 or 4 years or so and fluctuated from 163-173 pounds or so. It was only when I started to really pay attention to caloric intake and protein amounts that I started to gain. In the same amount of time concentrating on diet with a similar excercise routine I went from 173 to 200.
In my skinny case it was more about the food.
are you saying it took you another 3-4 years to go from 173 to 200?
Yep. 10 pounds a year in '03, '04, '05 with zero body fat increase. In fact, my abs are more visible now, even though I don’t really focus on them at all. I’m still trying to get bigger (I’m 6-4 and change, so 200 is no great shakes for me, while 160 flat out sucked).
In that previous 3-4 years 10 pound fluctuation (163-173), the weight gain would never stick, minimal as it was, so I guess you could count that extra ten that now has “stuck around” toward the total.
Anyway, I don’t know if that seems like it’s slow-going or not, but that’s the way it’s been for me. It would have been zero - ten pound fluctuations had I continued to ignore diet.
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200 pounds at 6’ 4’ is nothing. you need to eat some more. get some fat increase and bulk. who cares if you dotn have visible abs. abs are for the summer. do a clean bulk gian some weight. 10 pounds should be 10 weeks not 52. i plan on gaining 15-20 lbm plus fat by december. oh no my abs will go away. whatever i ahve a g/f . she can rub my belly all she wants. but come next spring ill be 9% bf at the most at 220 or so.
Good for you! That’s a great plan, 220 with 9% bodyfat. You didn’t ask me what I was shooting for, but I guess I’ll tell you - I’m shooting for somewhere around 220 myself and I don’t really care what my bodyfat is, because I’ve been skinny my whole life. There is no such thing as bodyfat for me. LOL That’s why I said my abs are more visible now than they were when I was skinnier and I don’t even work them specifically. Just trying to point out that the 40 pounds so far have come mostly from nutrition and have not led to any fat gain.
I do feel like I should clear up a few things in regards to your post, - I’m not sure if you are arguing with what I wrote, but I said that 6-4 200 was no great shakes, so for you to reply that it’s nothing, I think we’re saying the same thing.
You also are telling me that I need to eat. O.K. I was repying to this thread and saying I felt eating a lot was far more important than working out, so I can say it again, I guess.
I could eat more than I am now, but to me 10 pounds of muscle a year for a 36 year old with kids and a job is not breaking my heart. I’m not really in a race or up against some kind of time clock, so I kind of planned on sticking with the steady gains that are staying with me for now.
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budlight1 wrote:200 pounds at 6’ 4’ is nothing. you need to eat some more. get some fat increase and bulk. who cares if you dotn have visible abs. abs are for the summer. do a clean bulk gian some weight. 10 pounds should be 10 weeks not 52. i plan on gaining 15-20 lbm plus fat by december. oh no my abs will go away. whatever i ahve a g/f . she can rub my belly all she wants. but come next spring ill be 9% bf at the most at 220 or so.
Good for you! That’s a great plan, 220 with 9% bodyfat. You didn’t ask me what I was shooting for, but I guess I’ll tell you - I’m shooting for somewhere around 220 myself and I don’t really care what my bodyfat is, because I’ve been skinny my whole life. There is no such thing as bodyfat for me. LOL That’s why I specifically said my abs are more visible now than they were when I was skinnier and I don’t even work them specifically.
I do feel like I should clear up a few things in regards to your post, though- I’m not sure if you are arguing with what I wrote, but I said that 6-4 200 was no great shakes, so for you to reply that it’s nothing, I think we’re saying the same thing.
You also are telling me that I need to eat. O.K. I was repying to this thread and saying I felt eating a lot was far more important than working out, so I can say it again, I guess.
I could eat more than I am now, but to me 10 pounds of muscle a year for a 36 year old with kids and a job is not breaking my heart. I’m not really in a race or up against some kind of time clock, so I kind of planned on sticking with the steady gains that are staying with me for now.
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sorry didnt know your had kids and are 40. im jsut saying if you dedicated yourself you could reach that goal alot easier. its not hard to hard alot and clean you jsut need to have good preperation and write things out.
Not 40, 36! LOL Everything else I agree with.
It’s all about eating hard, for some that’s harder than it is for others, but if they monitor food intake like they monitor bench press reps anyone can do it.
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the people that are saying training is more important are probably 160lbs. if you wanna be big or cut its all about diet. if you dont eat enough or eat liek crap your going to either be small or a lard ass. can you eat 20 bags of chips a days and gain muscle. no[/quote]
Yes and No
Seriously who eats 20 bags of chips a day? NOT someone who goes to the gym 3-4 times a week. I HOPE not anyway.
Different strokes for different folkes really.If i keep my nutrition the same for 2-3 weeks without training i get noticably smaller.But thats just me and im not 160 pounds.
Genetics play a Huge role .I know 2 guys from my football team who lift everyday but nutrition wise just drink beer and eat white bread sandwitches and meat pies and they are a good 100kgs at 6 feet 2 with 6-10% bodyfat.
Peace
King of Kings
ok sorry 5 protein shakes and 15 bags of chips. people do this kind of crap you have to realize many people think they can lift weights, go on a treadmill for 30 mins, then eat whatever they want and still get big. jsut like they believe 1400 calorie diets are good to lose fat. look at the kids on here that eat 2000 cals and ask why they arent gaining weight. how many people in the gym do you see for months look exactly the same? probably about 95 percent
What’s more responsible for making an airplane fly, the wings or the thrust?
They’re both needed.
Train like crazy and eat like shit, you’ll get shitty results.
Eat great and train half-assed, you’ll get shitty results.
If given the choice, I’d rather be forced to eat like shit and be able to workout however I wanted than to be unable to workout but have whatever ‘clean’ food I wanted.
Only on T-Nation could a simple question result in a mini flame-fest and everyone calling everyone else a small bastard. 
I figure I’d add my input and say that at the initial training period, and I say this from personal experience, training is more important. Hauling ass in the gym when you first start gets you fast results, quickly. You can even eat pretty shitty and still get slightly bigger, and certainly a buttload more defined.
After that, both play a huge importance, and equal one, for getting bigger while staying lean (and I use lean in a moderate sense).
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Only on T-Nation could a simple question result in a mini flame-fest and everyone calling everyone else a small bastard.
I figure I’d add my input and say that at the initial training period, and I say this from personal experience, training is more important. Hauling ass in the gym when you first start gets you fast results, quickly. You can even eat pretty shitty and still get slightly bigger, and certainly a buttload more defined.
After that, both play a huge importance, and equal one, for getting bigger while staying lean (and I use lean in a moderate sense).[/quote]
small bastard…(don’t take that seriously i dont wamt to start a bs fight again.)
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(don’t take that seriously i dont wamt to start a bs fight again.)
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Is there any other kind on the net?
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