[quote]slotan wrote:
Did you miss that I was talking about training not to failure?
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Wow, I feel stupid. Sorry brother, loosing my head here. 
I don’t know if anyone else can share this experience, but as a result from not traing to failure every set, especially in the sense of training for speed, I found that I increased my deadlift, squat and bench press considerably.
I don’t train to failure on every set ( that’s crazy), however, at times I will go to failure on my final set.
I wouldn’t advise training to failure on squats though.
Ben
[quote]JACKED71 wrote:
I don’t train to failure on every set ( that’s crazy), however, at times I will go to failure on my final set.
I wouldn’t advise training to failure on squats though.
Ben[/quote]
I think this is what I should have said, its not every set just typically a final set. Also as mentioned its difficult to do on many exercises anyway. Also training to failure and its effects depends on the individuals ability to recover and grow anyway.
i know only one way of training and thats to failiure i cant stop until the weight stops me. i cant help it but i only get slightly sore by doing this. this is the way ive trained for years.im trying to learn new ways but i say 1 more then i do 4 then damn i can keep going now i cant move the weight one inch.i always felt if im not sore i didnt train hard enough so i go at it harder the next day.
[quote]syclone wrote:
i know only one way of training and thats to failiure i cant stop until the weight stops me. i cant help it but i only get slightly sore by doing this. this is the way ive trained for years.im trying to learn new ways but i say 1 more then i do 4 then damn i can keep going now i cant move the weight one inch.i always felt if im not sore i didnt train hard enough so i go at it harder the next day.[/quote]
Try lifting heavier weights.
[quote]syclone wrote:
i know only one way of training and thats to failiure i cant stop until the weight stops me. i cant help it but i only get slightly sore by doing this. this is the way ive trained for years.im trying to learn new ways but i say 1 more then i do 4 then damn i can keep going now i cant move the weight one inch.i always felt if im not sore i didnt train hard enough so i go at it harder the next day.[/quote]
I’m curious as to how much you weigh, how long you have been lifting. And what some of your lift numbers are.
As has been addressed here already, I too have a hard time gauging progress when not training to failure. Most programs that do not incorporate failure have a preditermined set of progress, such as adding 2.5% each week, and even if in the last phase I have successfully added this much, I wonder how much of my initial load was selected knowing I would have room for such a weekly progression. When it comes to going to failure, each workout is more like a performance, you know from each workout how much you have improved. However, this is not getting into CNS/frequency or the like, just from a pshychological perspective.
For many exercises going to failure IS NOT ENOUGH… for me anyway. For rows and pulldowns, I always drop weight twice during each set. For preacher curls, I drop once. Skull Crushers go to failure and then become negatives down and close-grip presses up. For most of everything else, I train to failure. If a certain number of reps is not reached, I’ll pause for 10 seconds and go for another rep or 2. With the aid of a training log, its easy to see what the last weight/set/rep completion was and to set a new goal for extra weight or reps.
After years of non-productive gym time, that is what gave me results. shrugs
Yes, it was very demanding. I could only train 3 days a week or overtraining would smack me down.
[quote]slotan wrote:
marijuology wrote:
There is no such thing as “muscular failure”. A muscle does not fail to contract; it’s force production just drops off until falls below the level needed to accelerate the weight.
Also, there is no reason to believe that lifting to failure stresses the CNS (relative to not failing). The fatigue that leads to failure is related to metabolic events within the muscle cells, not “CNS fatigue”.
Actually, “CNS fatigue” is an important factor when discussing this topic.
Spinal and supraspinal factors in human muscle fatigue…
In other words, failure is mental-unless you actually tear the muscle.
Some of you fuckers should learn to differentiate between training to failure and failing to train. Otherwise all the smart asses would be over 250lbs and look half decent. Still the worse everyone else looks, the better I look, so with that in mind, I am going off to get fat.
[quote]GhostOfYourMind wrote:
It’s another tool in the toolbox IMO. I rarely train to failure, but every so often it’s just fun to see how far I can go. Plus it’s a nice little “jolt” if you’re doing the complete opposite like a high frequency, staying away from failure type of program.
I would say the key to going to failure is moderation! If you do it day in and day out, for months on end, you’ll probably burn out. Too much of something is bad, too little of it can be bad (or have no affect). I guess that’s my way of looking at it.[/quote]
Amen to that, well said!