I have recently been searching around the Net for new and varied performance enhancing methods from different coaches (sorry, Ian). I have come across three different individuals. The first of these coaches is Adam Archuleta’s strength coach Jay Schroeder. Adam was highlighted on ESPN during Pre-draft time for his extraordinary combine numbers and unique training methods. Over 30 reps at 225 should grab anyone’s attention. I have found several articles about Adam and Jay, but what I have found has been very vague. From what little info that I have found, I can see that he favors the shock training principles outlined by Vladimir Zatsiorsky and Donald Chu (i.e. weight drops and high-platform depth jumps). I was wondering if anyone had had any experiences with Coach Schoeder, and would like to share those with the forum. The second coach is Marv Marinovich, father of the ex-quarterback prodigy Todd Marinovich, and coach of Jason Sehorn, the only white starting cornerback in the NFL. From the info that I have gathered about him he seems to favor a Paul Chek-ish approach in regards to stability and integration thru Swiss ball training. Does anyone know anything about Coach Marinovich? The final coach is Mark Verstegen, coach of Nomar Garciaparra, Mary Pierce, and Roberto Alomar. He is a strong proponent of balance and dynamic flexibility. I think that these coaches have a lot to offer to the readers of T-mag, and would like to hear if anybody has had any real-world experience with any of these guys. Also, would there be any interest reading an article on any of their philosophies…
Check out the Supertraining group over at yahoo. Mel Siff an exercise scientist/engineer does not feel that functional/balance training has any real value. You will have to read his post’s to get his point of view, as they are quite complicated for the non engineer type.
There was a discussion regarding Adam Archuleta’s trainer (Jay Schroeder) on Mel Siff’s supertraining egroup a few months ago. Some of the participants had trained with him (including Charles Staley who is a list member). From what I know of Mr. Shroeder’s training philosophy, he uses “shock training” (a la Verkoshansky) as part of his program, but by no means is he exclusive to this method. He also uses EMS, maximal effort lifting, speed lifting, inertial-impulse machines, etc. You might want to joint the list and search the archives for more information.
are you an athlete? if not what does 40 yard dash times have to do w/gaining muscle? if you are or you just want to learn check that yahoo site, there is another great one but I’m gonna have to look it up, I’ll post later
There are a lot of really good strength, speed and conditioning coaches out there. All of them have some things unique to getting things done and all of them have their strengths and weaknesses. It seems Schroeder does to the upper body what other coaches do to the lower body (plyometrics etc.) I’ve read some of the articles about his training and it does have some interesting points. However, who’s to say that Archuleta wouldn’t have achieved those same #'s working with a different coach? You never know. I’ve read a lot about how he has increased several athletes bench press by quite a bit but really how important is the bench press in sports anyway? I’d rather see impressive numbers across the board posted in agility drills, 40 yard dash, power clean and vertical jump. Having said that it would still be interesting to get more indepth on his and other strength coaches training philosophy. In my mind the only way to figure out what works best is to accumulate enough knowledge from different sources along with your own experiences to be able to come up with your own viewpoints based on opposing schools of thought.
the problem with schroeder, is people have tried to make a kind of magical quatlity about his training, which there is nothing magical. If i still played sports, i might go get a session with Dr. Yessis, who lives near me.
What about John Davies? He has some great training techniques. I’d like to hear more about him.
Kelly–
Have you ever noticed the difference between a gifted athlete’s physique and a bodybuilder’s? In my opinion, I think that it looks quite a bit better. For example, I would much rather look like Jason Sehorn than Ronnie Coleman or Craig Titus. Just a thought…
I too prefer the athlete’s physique over a bodybuilders physique. A lot of the difference is size but also the athletes tend to have longer limb ratios which gives them great functional performance and speed…this gives them a different overall appearance then a typical short limbed bodybuilder. One thing I’ve noticed among NFL players when seeing them up close is that they are usually put together in such a way in that their upper body and lower body look like they belong to 2 entirely different people. Thick upper bodies with really long naturally thin legs and calves.
What about track cyclist Curt Harnett? I don’t know why I’m even posting, because I don’t know his strength coach’s name, but he was the first cyclist to break 10sec for 200m. He isn’t all that huge because he’d want high relative strength, but he squats 700lbs for reps. Yes there are some strong athletes out there. I saw a video of either Glenroy Gilbert or Bruny Surin doing cleans with 405lbs. Can’t remember who was their strength coach either.
I appreciate the thoughts on Jay Schroeder, but has anyone had any experience with the other two strength coaches? I have used Marinovich’s Dynamic Workout System over the past six months and have become drastically more flexible and aestically balanced. I don’t believe that any of these coaches has “majical powers”, I just wanted to supplement my knowledge of performance enhancement and these individuals seem particularly gifted. To respond to hetyey’s comments: that is exactly the opposite of what response that I had hoped to get. Everything is not about gaining muscle!
I asked a Q, my point is if muscle is main goal then these coaches will NOT help you, I saw one of your responses where you talked about how athletes look, they look that way 'cause they HAVE TO, if you want to be well built all you have to do is put on muscle and watch what you eat, do you realy think Jason would realy do everything he does if he did not have to for his sport (and what diff. does it make that he is white? why did you point it out?)
hetyey225-- have you located the address that you were looking for? I think that you said something about it on your first post on this thread.
Thanks,
GG