[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
Pullovers after squatting to expand the ribcage.
I didn’t even know this was a myth. Who on Earth thought that you could increase the size of your skeletal structure?[/quote]
Pullovers may expand the ribcage up until about the age of 21-22.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Another myth:
Muscles “remember” the last exercise performed and will adapt to that one. So you shouldn’t end your workouts with high rep sets… Riiight.
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There may be something too this. If you train heavy, the main acute potential signals will be ATP depletion and damaged muscle proteins. This will speculatively cause endurance expressive genes to be blocked on chromosomes, and IIx expressive genes to be expressed. If you then give a muscle an endurance signal like HLa or glycogen depletion, you may be signaling both responses at the same time.
These are the most likely signals for selective gene expression in muscle that we know of right now. How to apply it? Who knows? I do know that Franco Columbu believed in not doing burnouts after a heavy workout. I also know that Louie Simmons believes there can be a problem in sending mixed messages in the same workout.
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FF
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
Pullovers after squatting to expand the ribcage.
I didn’t even know this was a myth. Who on Earth thought that you could increase the size of your skeletal structure?
Pullovers may expand the ribcage up until about the age of 21-22.
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Why? Why would pull overs alone expand your rib cage? It is a lat movement. The serratus anteriors are worked as well as the abs to a large degree. There is no reason why that movement should permenantly distort your rib cage. That’s like saying reaching for cookies on the top shelf daily will make your arms longer up until the age of 22. It makes no sense and people simply latched onto it because Arnold said it.
Did anyone say “muscle memory” yet?
[quote]K-Narf wrote:
Professor X wrote:
But…how do I train my “inner pecs”?
I think you should worry more about training your left abs…[/quote]
Although we all know there are no “inner pecs” a motor unit does not have uniform thickness from origin to insertion. This is because satellite cells only run a short stretch of the length of the muscle fiber. Motor units that are thicker at the origin may be turned on preferrentially by a peak contraction reflex, or satellite cells may tend to accumulate around the origin more after a peak contraction exercise, or there may be more accumulation of contractile proteins near the origin because there is more actino-myosin overlap in the origin end of the muscle during a peak contraction exercise.
Preacher curls do hit the arm flexors in such a way that preferentially builds the biceps (versus other arm flexors) especially when DONE in the lower 1/2 of the range. In other words, they do hit the lower lying arm flexors. Also, exercises that isolate the brachioradialis by slackening the biceps (like concentration curls) do give the arm flexors more overall height by building muscle under the bicep. If you take the work bicep out and replace it with arm flexors, statements 1 and 8 are true.
I think you are confused about the elbow flexors. The biceps would be considered the most superior elbow flexor, since its origin is the highest and the bulk of the muscle is the middle of the arm and that is higher than the bulk of the other two elbow flexors. Preacher curls can hit the biceps, definitely, but the biceps are not considered a “lower lying elbow flexor” and the argument is that preacher curls hit a special, lower part of the biceps is debatable at best.
Second, doing concentration curls does not slacken the biceps and it definitely does not emphasize the brachioradialis. In fact, the brachioradialis is barely working in a concentration curl or any other curl where you have a supinated grip. Also the brachioradialis is not the muscle that is under your biceps, it is the muscle on your lateral forearm. The brachialis is the muscle under your bicep, but it is also not really emphasized by doing concentration curls. A neutral grip will place more emphasis on that muscle. The point of doing concentration curls is to place extra emphasis on the biceps itself.
Also not very many experts think that weightlifting stunts the growth of kids, and the force it exerts on the bones is usually less than that of other, commonly played sports like football.
[quote]kellyc wrote:
Did anyone say “muscle memory” yet?[/quote]
Hopefully not because muscle memory is very real.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
Pullovers after squatting to expand the ribcage.
I didn’t even know this was a myth. Who on Earth thought that you could increase the size of your skeletal structure?
Pullovers may expand the ribcage up until about the age of 21-22.
Why? Why would pull overs alone expand your rib cage? It is a lat movement. The serratus anteriors are worked as well as the abs to a large degree. There is no reason why that movement should permenantly distort your rib cage. That’s like saying reaching for cookies on the top shelf daily will make your arms longer up until the age of 22. It makes no sense and people simply latched onto it because Arnold said it.[/quote]
Well, I’m not telling anyone to try to expand the ribcage. I did read on an article from Dr. Darden that the stretching action during pullovers, as well as deep breathing could stretch/extend the cartilaginous region of the ribs. I would think that stretching intensely this way several times a week for several years could stretch the cartilage prior to complete ossification. 1) cartilage can stretch 2) if the cartilage connecting ribs to sternum stretched the ribcage would end up larger.
BUT, first of all I have tried the breathing squats and they are hard as shit, I can’t really say if they expand anything. Here is the theory.
The sternum, which is a bone, is “floating.” It is connected by cartilidge to the rest of the ribs. The part of the ribs which is colored blue above is not bone. The blue part is cartilidge, it is soft tissue. There is no reason (theoretically) that the soft tissue can’t be expanded by filling the lungs with extremely large amounts of air over and over, esp. for a young person.
Which brings us to the second point. The idea is not that pull-overs and squats cause your ribcage to expand. The theory is that BREATHING squats and pull-overs cause your ribcage to expand. Breathing squats and pull-overs are hard as shit and arguably the most retarded thing I have ever done. You take like 10 HUGE breaths in between reps and do some other shit… fuck I forgot, but it is some goddam technique that involves more breathing than actual lifting and it is really hard.
I think after 10 MASSIVE breaths you hold the 11th one and then do your rep. or set, shit seriously I totally forgot. But there IS an actual technique if you look hard enough.
[quote]michael2507 wrote:
Pullovers after squatting to expand the ribcage.[/quote]
Pullovers with good breathing technique DID widen my ribcage. Sorry.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
Pullovers after squatting to expand the ribcage.
Pullovers with good breathing technique DID widen my ribcage. Sorry.[/quote]
Holy crap! If I jack off (with good technique, of course) will it expand my penis?
Dan “Eagerly Awaiting an Answer” McVicker
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Pullovers with good breathing technique DID widen my ribcage. Sorry.[/quote]
Color my HUGELY skeptical. I find it hard to believe that breathing heavily will expand your ribcage, even if the ribcage is made up of lots of cartilage. If I blow my nose a lot, will it grow too?
[quote]larryb wrote:
The myth of unlimited human potential. If you train hard enough, your skill or strength potential is unlimited. Most kids who believe this have seen too many 70’s kung-fu movies.[/quote]
Well no one has hit a block yet to prove otherwise!
(just me thinking positively, and no i don’t watch kung fu movies or whatever)
There are shades of grey with almost anything. Absolutes are hard to come by.
[quote]GribGrob wrote:
larryb wrote:
The myth of unlimited human potential. If you train hard enough, your skill or strength potential is unlimited. Most kids who believe this have seen too many 70’s kung-fu movies.
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I agree… just like some motivational/positive thinking material stretching the boundries of human potential. Tony Robbins is one of the worst for throwing common sense out the window.
The convieve it, believe it, achieve it, happy horseshit I have problems with. I have no problem with making lofty goals at least if they’re somewhat realistic. Making a goal to; win the lottery, be a billionaire when you have no clear strengths, be a world champion in something when you just started practicing a sport. And why is that almost all the success coaches I know of became “successful” by teaching others “how to be successful”? Disturbing.
[quote]nptitim wrote:
I think you are confused about the elbow flexors. The biceps would be considered the most superior elbow flexor, since its origin is the highest and the bulk of the muscle is the middle of the arm and that is higher than the bulk of the other two elbow flexors. Preacher curls can hit the biceps, definitely, but the biceps are not considered a “lower lying elbow flexor” and the argument is that preacher curls hit a special, lower part of the biceps is debatable at best.
Second, doing concentration curls does not slacken the biceps and it definitely does not emphasize the brachioradialis. In fact, the brachioradialis is barely working in a concentration curl or any other curl where you have a supinated grip. Also the brachioradialis is not the muscle that is under your biceps, it is the muscle on your lateral forearm. The brachialis is the muscle under your bicep, but it is also not really emphasized by doing concentration curls. A neutral grip will place more emphasis on that muscle. The point of doing concentration curls is to place extra emphasis on the biceps itself.
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Sorry, I meant brachialis. First, Poloquin recommends preacher curls done in the lower half of the ROM specifically to hit the biceps and keep other arm flexors out of it. Second, since the bicep crosses the shoulder joint, then when the arm is out in front of you, the bicep is not stretched around the shoulder joint as much. I think that gives it slack. I don’t see how it wouldn’t.
Since the brachialis only crosses the elbow joint, the position of the upper arm doesn’t affect its degree of stretch. Also, if you thicken the bicep tendons, they will be less deformable and as a result, a flexed bicep will not contract into as small of a space when flexed hard. I do think that the lower range of a preacher curl, especially with a slow eccentric, will thicken the bicep tendons particularly.
[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Pullovers with good breathing technique DID widen my ribcage. Sorry.
Color my HUGELY skeptical. I find it hard to believe that breathing heavily will expand your ribcage, even if the ribcage is made up of lots of cartilage. If I blow my nose a lot, will it grow too?[/quote]
Actually it may. Non-ossified cartilage-especially when actively stretched-has a tendancy to grow continually. There is a LOT of cartilage in the ribcage, and even 1-2 inches of stretch over the course of several years could be significant.
How about something for the lower abs? I do 10 000 crunches a day, but I know this just hits my upper abs… Anyone?
[quote]imoko wrote:
How about something for the lower abs? I do 10 000 crunches a day, but I know this just hits my upper abs… Anyone?[/quote]
Leg lifts
Wheele roller
