[quote]bigmoe wrote:
I am trying to get back into training after a long period of being stagnant. Although I have trained for years in the past i am in need of some advice bvecause i am currently creating a new workout regiment.
If i workout Biceps one day would it be ok to workout on back the next? Would it effeact the way i pull or how much i can Pull?[/quote]
Bad idea. Training biceps the day before back is a a good way to short change your back and possibly strain/tear a bicep. Your priority (whether a Power Lifter or Bodybuilder) should be on building your back. Give at least a day in between the two.
[quote]bobbyPGA wrote:
i wouldn’t even bother training biceps or triceps, unless they’re a real weak point for you. they get enough work during your pulling and pushing movements. you could just incorporate more back work. but if you’re going to train biceps, do them after your back workout. if you do underhand pulling work, you’ll probably find that your biceps are going to get worked as well.[/quote]
Troll?
Anyways I use to train like this and my arms were stuck at about 16.25 inches for over a year. Then I added an arm day and added an inch in less than 6 months and with plenty of arm isolation got 19inch arms growing about an inch a year.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
Your posts really bug me lately! [/quote]
Really? lol…what else have I posted that bugged you? [/quote]
one recently in the nutrition forum and a few others Ive seen all over the show. A lot of what you have said seems to be based on information read rather than exeperienced. No disrespect intended.[/quote]
Ironically, I hate reading…seriously! lol Maybe I’m just that worldly and you just didn’t know it =)…but not really; I have alot to learn. I just try to post where I see anyone making some of the silly mistakes I have, both in the way I thought and how I trained/ate.
Oh and op there is nothing really horribly wrong with training this way, but I wouldn’t do it for fear of injury like tearing a bicep and I don’t like to hit similar muscle groups two days in a row. Just my opinion.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
Your posts really bug me lately! [/quote]
Really? lol…what else have I posted that bugged you? [/quote]
one recently in the nutrition forum and a few others Ive seen all over the show. A lot of what you have said seems to be based on information read rather than exeperienced. No disrespect intended.[/quote]
Ironically, I hate reading…seriously! lol Maybe I’m just that worldly and you just didn’t know it =)…but not really; I have alot to learn. I just try to post where I see anyone making some of the silly mistakes I have, both in the way I thought and how I trained/ate. [/quote]
I appreciate your candor.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]bobbyPGA wrote:
thank you gregron…
…As you can see, there is no ?bicep curls? or any direct arm work involved because your arms will be indirectly trained over time…arms grow just by following the Starting Strength routine. -mark rippetoe
the guy knows a little something about lifting weights, which is something bodybuilding entails. arms can grow with indirect work. that’s all i’m saying.[/quote]
Why do you assume he knows anything about bodybuilding? This is absolutely 100% awesome advice you are giving…if you are happy looking like Rippetoe.
But honestly, if your arms are bigger than 14" (with proof) then I will put on a pink leotard and post a video on youtube and TNation of me dancing in it.
Sorry that some of us strive for better than the words of some author who is not big, strong, or lean. [/quote]
tried posting a pic, but couldn’t preview it. my arms are 15.5" i’m 5’7 160LBS at 9%BF. only cause you asked. i don’t claim to be anything but a somewhat knowledgeable recreational bodybuilder with still a lot to learn. just trying to help someone out because others have helped me. haven’t done an arm workout in over a year. break out the leotard.
[quote]bobbyPGA wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]bobbyPGA wrote:
thank you gregron…
…As you can see, there is no ?bicep curls? or any direct arm work involved because your arms will be indirectly trained over time…arms grow just by following the Starting Strength routine. -mark rippetoe
the guy knows a little something about lifting weights, which is something bodybuilding entails. arms can grow with indirect work. that’s all i’m saying.[/quote]
Why do you assume he knows anything about bodybuilding? This is absolutely 100% awesome advice you are giving…if you are happy looking like Rippetoe.
But honestly, if your arms are bigger than 14" (with proof) then I will put on a pink leotard and post a video on youtube and TNation of me dancing in it.
Sorry that some of us strive for better than the words of some author who is not big, strong, or lean. [/quote]
tried posting a pic, but couldn’t preview it. my arms are 15.5" i’m 5’7 160LBS at 9%BF. only cause you asked. i don’t claim to be anything but a somewhat knowledgeable recreational bodybuilder with still a lot to learn. just trying to help someone out because others have helped me. haven’t done an arm workout in over a year. break out the leotard. [/quote]
Lol @ 9% bf and the crookedness of that tape. Also, you’re not helping anyone out by telling them not to train arms directly.
OP, train arms directly and if you enjoy tendonitis, then go ahead and train back the day after bi’s for an extended period of time.
[quote]bobbyPGA wrote:
haven’t done an arm workout in over a year. [/quote]
start now.
Despite all the internet gurus in here, if you are just coming back, a whole body routine will work. You are a beginner again. Fight the urge to think that complexity makes it right. Do a linear progression with basic lifts, horizontal push, horizontal pull, squat, alternated with deadlift, vertical push, vertical pull. Ride that horse until you are not able to add weight to the bar.
Either that or buy a couple hundred dollars of substitutes, I mean supplements, do one body part a day and spin your wheels for about 6 months.
Mark Rippetoe get’s a bad rap in here (bodybuilding forum) but he’s not an idiot (far from it). And he is a STRENGTH coach.
For one thing, in a society of over-thinkers, he was a breath of fresh air and used common sense…which is partly where Starting Strength evolved from: Starting Strength is simply utilising the quick adaptations newbies make - everyone agrees that a newbie should take advantage of this (eat big, lift big…ride out the newbie gains).
It’s not Marks fault that some people keep on the program for up to a year or more and complain of getting fat and having small arms lol. The clue is in the title; “starting” strength. It’s only supposed to be kept on until newbie gains (gains that can be made frequently and at every session). Like I said, this only happens for some months (e.g. it’s likely time to move onto something more split after 6+ months to give bodyparts more stimulus and recovery…but this is individual).
And the reason for no direct arm work is because newbies respond to just about any stimulus (as long as it’s progressive and not stupidly high volume, lacking load/frequency…e.g. 5+ way splits the pros use that newbies can’t resist stealing lol). The first time a newbie lifts a weight, it can be pretty small, but because the body is not adapted/used to it, it responds (grows). The stimulus doesn’t have to be high in volume/workload, because the newbie responds to minimal volume. This is recovered from quickly (hence the high bodypart frequency).
This applies to indirect arm work (even though the load is not maximal for the arms) - they grow just as fast as they would with direct work. Up to a certain point though (at least in most “average” people), the arms stop growing from this stimulation and need MORE (that is, if you want arms bigger than average) because the indirect work is no longer an adequate enough “disruption”.
Same goes for other bodyparts like delts. It’s the reason why bodybuilding evolved over the years (other than drugs lol); the bigger you get, the more “disruption”/focus bodypart needs to grow (unless you’re happy just looking fit, or at most, not like a “well-balanced” developed bodybuilder).
[quote]bobbyPGA wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]bobbyPGA wrote:
thank you gregron…
…As you can see, there is no ?bicep curls? or any direct arm work involved because your arms will be indirectly trained over time…arms grow just by following the Starting Strength routine. -mark rippetoe
the guy knows a little something about lifting weights, which is something bodybuilding entails. arms can grow with indirect work. that’s all i’m saying.[/quote]
Why do you assume he knows anything about bodybuilding? This is absolutely 100% awesome advice you are giving…if you are happy looking like Rippetoe.
But honestly, if your arms are bigger than 14" (with proof) then I will put on a pink leotard and post a video on youtube and TNation of me dancing in it.
Sorry that some of us strive for better than the words of some author who is not big, strong, or lean. [/quote]
tried posting a pic, but couldn’t preview it. my arms are 15.5" i’m 5’7 160LBS at 9%BF. only cause you asked. i don’t claim to be anything but a somewhat knowledgeable recreational bodybuilder with still a lot to learn. just trying to help someone out because others have helped me. haven’t done an arm workout in over a year. break out the leotard. [/quote]
props to putting up the pic at least, thats more then most will do
but the part about being a somewhat knowledgeable recreational bodybuilders is dellusion. No bodybuilder doesnt train their arms directly. How about somewhat knowledgeable fitness enthusiast? Im actually not being sarcastic here im being realistic
[quote]bobbyPGA wrote:
tried posting a pic, but couldn’t preview it. my arms are 15.5" i’m 5’7 160LBS at 9%BF. only cause you asked. i don’t claim to be anything but a somewhat knowledgeable recreational bodybuilder with still a lot to learn. just trying to help someone out because others have helped me. haven’t done an arm workout in over a year. break out the leotard. [/quote]
Wow, you actually posted a pic. But like KB said, you’re not 9% and your tape is completely angled, so you maybe still have 14" arms yet. I will hold out on the leotard for now.